Author Topic: Fatima and sedevacantism (Read 10579 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2009, 01:59:19 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Everyone can come together and agree how Russia really, really needs to be converted... How brave! Actually, it is the WHOLE WORLD that needs to be converted to, as Thomas Droleskey says, the Social Reign of Christ the King.

God sets the conditions, not you. As God let the redemption of ALL men hang upon the 'fiat' of ONE MAIDEN, surely he might make the conversion of the world hang upon the consecration of one nation. To aruge the entire world needs to be consecrated is to state the obvious - and NO ONE is arguing the contrary (nor did Our Lady intimate the contrary).

Some around here seem to be talking out of their asses about things that are beyond their knowledge and experience.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2009, 02:01:14 AM »

EDIT: To argue that the entire world needs to be CONVERTED (not, as I wrote, consecrated)...

Raoul76 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2009, 02:04:30 AM »

Gladius, I usually agree with you, but you are way off base here.

The devil indeed has supernatural powers. He can use people to talk through as if they were nothing but marionettes. Ever read any rock music lyrics? They are full of fantastical visionary wisdom, like that of a Greek oracle. Satan possesses all these people. He plays around with the truth, through the mouths of others, and often sounds like a prophet.

What makes you think he couldn't possess some kids to see the Virgin Mary? I don't think that's what happened. But it is SO VERY possible.

The reason CM is saying that is because the apparition was approved by Benedict XV, who he considers an anti-Pope because of the BoD-confirming 1917 Code of Canon Law. What he is saying is entirely in character, and consistent, if you accept his logic.

CM · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2009, 02:11:26 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

God speed.

I can only accept your "God speed" if you agree with all Catholic doctrine, and I admit I have not retained a lot of knowledge about your positions. To be safe, I decline your "God speed," until I can see your position paper or abjuration or some other assurance that you are certainly Catholic and not heretical or schismatic.

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Btw, do you now what supernatural means? The devil does not operate on the supernatural level - his natural powers are simply above our own.

It seems to me I have heard something like this before. I guess the devil manipulates nature to create false miracles, which are not really supernatural? This fits with some things I read about Fatima. If I misspoke, I stand corrected. I wonder if you might kindly provide me with some resources, which go into detail about your understanding of the supernatural? I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2009, 02:14:54 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

The reason CM is saying that is because the apparition was approved by Benedict XV, who he considers an anti-Pope because of the BoD-confirming 1917 Code of Canon Law. What he is saying is entirely in character, and consistent, if you accept his logic.

That is not at all why I am asserting that Benedict XV was an antipope, sir. In fact, if it were not for his public utterances of heresy against the salvation dogma (universal salvation to be exact) and Geocentrism, I would not have come to this conclusion about him at all. Even with the heretical 'Code', which also allows for people to receive sacraments from heretic priests, and for Catholic children to go to non-Catholic schools.

With all the links to my article on this forum, I am surprised that you would make such a blatant misrepresentation of the theology behind my position.