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     Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner to show how quotes from the authoritative sources can be made to sound as if they have stated unreasonable propositions which they themselves obviously wouldn't. Parts 2 through 4 of this series introduced Peter Dimond's treatise, "Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation," (hereinafter referred to as "the Treatise"), an attempt which gathers a great deal of material about the question of Baptism of Blood (hereinafter referred to as "BOB") and Baptism of Desire (hereinafter referred to as "BOD"), and there, the standard dogmatic and doctrinal texts, Sacred Scripture, and the Church Fathers were explored to see if their declarations and statements really showed any reason to doubt the Catholic doctrines of BOB and BOD, and to expose some significant instances of scholastic dishonesty employed to make it seem as if they did. Parts 5 through 8 began a consideration of the objections raised and acknowledged as such within the scope of the Treatise, showing that these objections do comprise significant reasons to believe in BOB and BOD despite the wretched attempts in the Treatise to minimize their impact or explain them away. With part 9 I began another phase of the consideration of the objections, namely those raised and acknowledged in the Treatise, but in other places outside the two "objections" Sections.

        The case for BOB among the Ancient Fathers is such a slam-dunk that it's a wonder that anyone, be it Fr. Feeney himself, or Peter Dimond, or anyone else could possibly have had the temerarious audacity to challenge it. For one thing, BOB was never abused as BOD had been, so why should anyone be motivated to try to get rid of it? For the other, those canonized saints whom the Church specifically believed to have not been baptized in water (even if any of them might have secretly gotten one without the Church's knowledge) provides such a yea verily smoking gun proof that the Church, even from the most ancient times, clearly did believe that those who lose their lives for Christ's sake, though they be not baptized in water (through no fault of their own), would nevertheless find it. Finally there the horrifying and monstrous "doctrine" that God would be so iniquitous as to deny salvation even to those who give their own lives specifically for Him and His cause, who endure all manner of suffering voluntarily, only to be told when it is over, "Sorry, you're not allowed into Heaven since you didn't happen to be baptized in water." An ordinary person, whose death in no way relates to being of the Faith, but merely whatever sort of death could befall anyone, is one thing, but such heroes of the Faith are quite another, and there is nothing more patently iniquitous as to consign such to the fires of Hell. And as mentioned before, not even Peter Abélard ever thought of going against BOB.

        Baptism of Desire however has not quite these credentials among the ancient texts. That is not to say that there is not plenty of reason to believe in them even from the writings of the ancients, but this particular category, as such, does not receive anywhere near the degree of discussion, mention, or detail as Baptism of Blood receives, and furthermore there are no canonized BOD saints. Finally, as mentioned at the end of the previous installment, at least a few of the Ancient Fathers appear to have been unaware of BOD, having said such things as "If any man receive not Baptism, he hath not salvation; except only Martyrs, who even without the water receive the kingdom." What are we to make of such comments? Is BOD some later "development of doctrine," unknown to the ancients, possibly discovered legitimately, but also, supposedly, possibly invented outright, by the Church?

        There are in fact quite a number of rather practical and obvious reasons why BOD would not receive anywhere near the attention BOB receives from the Ancient Fathers, so in point of fact the somewhat slimmer evidence (and not at all that much slimmer, as shall be seen) is quite certainly what we should expect. Let us now explore those reasons:


    1) In those early days during which Christians were routinely persecuted, fed to lions, burned, crushed, torn to pieces, forced to watch loved ones die right in front of them, and so forth, a mere accidental death of a catechumen was very much the rare exception. The far more likely situation was that he would be summarily yanked off the street and put to death without warning or explanation. In the ordinary course of things, without persecution, or evident immediate danger of such things as war, shipwreck, plagues, sickness, or extreme old age, by far most people can reasonably almost count on being able to follow through with something they have committed to do anytime within the next year or more. Furthermore, most of these possible situations also present some warning of their coming. A war is declared, a person is conscripted to serve in an army, a ship encounters a significant storm, a person gets ill, an infant is born obviously too sickly to make it to the Church to be baptized in time, an elderly person goes "around the knee" into that last fading into death. All of these situations provide easy and ample opportunity for an emergency baptism to be properly and legitimately performed. So the miniscule balance of cases in which death comes suddenly, without warning, but not as a persecution, to a person who is proceeding, perhaps as a catechumen, or at least as someone who really is on his way in the Grace of God to becoming a catechumen, is exceedingly quite rare. Given how far more common death through persecution was during those opening centuries of course this would receive far less attention than that.

    2) As a result of not happening very much, and correspondingly less written of, perhaps it was also less often asked about, so answers and challenges and responses regarding it would be similarly rare or virtually nonexistent. It was not something that came into the common experience of the typical Christian or prospective convert. There is no denying that this other "exception" to water baptism was far less known to the ordinary rank and file, though the leadership of the Church must have known of it, but simply had little occasion to mention it. This might also account for the funeral speech given by St. Ambrose in which he needed to teach of this particular nook or cranny of Catholic doctrine since to those who had known Emperor Valentinian this question would have been of actual concern. So he takes this occasion to expound to the common public this particular doctrine known to himself and the other leaders of the Church, but before this only most rarely explained to the rank and file, and then only to much smaller and more limited groups. Unlike the usual case where this happens and only one's immediate circle of friends and family would need to be consoled with this information, Emperor Valentinian was a prominent and well-loved figure mourned by very many, so this particular instance was heard, not merely by some small group of immediate friends and family, but by a large group of people, and was therefore deemed worth recording so we have it to this day.

    3) There was also a legitimate reason not to be discussing this concept more than absolutely necessary since (as would arise with the case of the Protestants who went on to construe such "exceptions" to being an excuse to blow off even bothering to get baptized at all). The danger that an individual catechumen might, upon learning of this possible exception, presume upon his salvation even if he is too lazy to get baptized, was simply too great to encourage by wide and loud dissemination of this particular teaching. One must also deal with the fact that at such early times, it may not have been clearly understood that though such a catechumen might ultimately be saved, he would (in virtually all cases) have at least some degree of Purgatory to endure, for that cleansing of all punishment for past sins afforded by water baptism or martyrdom would not apply to him. It is not even clear whether any fasts or other mortifications would be of such benefit to the catechumen. So if one learns of this then why not wait until the last possible moment to be baptized? It is said that Emperor Constantine did exactly that, and (luckily for him) was able to go through with being baptized in his very last days upon this earth. Well, he might have been "Constantine the Great" in this world due to his great and worthwhile accomplishments as a mere "catechumen," but with his late baptism not only all his sins but also all his accomplishments up to that same point count for nothing in the Kingdom of God and he is no more "the Great" in Heaven than is any baby who is baptized and who dies before reaching the age of reason. With the clear threat of persecution, to say nothing of the pleasures and distractions of the world, many of which are unjust and would have to be abandoned upon one's baptism, there did nevertheless arise a whole "class" of "lingering catechumens." They became those who were "ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of truth" spoken of in 2 Timothy 3:7, contenting themselves to remain mere catechumens well past the time and not to become of the baptized Faithful. For such neglect of the Sacrament they would not be saved if they died thus, as St. John Chrysostom spoke of when he said "if it should come to pass, (which God forbid!) that through the sudden arrival of death we depart hence uninitiated, though we have ten thousand virtues, our portion will be no other than hell." So quite understandably the fact that some few catechumens could be saved if they died thus, providing they were in no way despising or putting off the Sacrament, would not be often commented upon or written of. That we have anything of it at all is rather amazing, but no doubt Providential.

    4) Only the martyrs were honored. As mentioned above, there are no BOD saints canonized since there was nothing heroic regarding their deaths, and in life they had never become members of the Church. So whatever accomplishments they might have had that were favorable to the Church and as such worth some sort of Divine commendation (as in the case of Emperor Valentinian, or even in the above example of Emperor Constantine whose significant accomplishments were not as a baptized Christian), nevertheless do not of themselves count towards any sainthood, but only cause for Grace to be admitted to their lives, either the opportunity of being among those lingering catechumens fortunate enough to actually have their water baptism before going out of this world, or else of being the first widely known and clear-cut example of BOD (Valentinian). Every time some unbaptized martyr came up on the liturgical calendar, the matter of BOB had to become known, at least through the bare fact of it, if not through any additional explanation given right then in the homily or elsewhere to account for the saint's being commemorated despite not being baptized in water. Without any BOD saints this question would never come up regarding BOD at any point in the whole liturgical calendar.

    5) Finally, it is even possible that those who spoke of martyrdom as the only exception to water baptism may have regarded BOD as a kind of martyrdom of sorts. There is sometimes a "dry martyrdom" which is spoken of. First of all, there is to all of what it is to be any real and practicing Christian/Catholic, a kind of martyrdom in which one puts to death all the desires of the flesh and all fleshly compensation in life, seeking an interior devotion to God, and being seen by God who sees fully into the hearts of all, to be made of that same stuff as that of any actual blood-baptized martyr. Second of all, the suffering to be endured, though not willed or given consent to specifically as in the case of a blood-baptized martyr, is only all the greater for taking place in Purgatory. So the lone exception of martyrdom as mentioned in some few of the Ancient Fathers could nevertheless be with this implicit inclusion of BOD in the category of martyrs.

        Interestingly however, even the topic of invincible ignorance was of considerable concern in those early days. How easy it is to dismiss such a consideration as though it were something introduced for the first time by Pope Pius IX, when various liberals, rationalists, and so forth were pressing for every excuse under the sun for not following the Gospel. Ignorance however is not a unique consideration to our times, but in our times the consideration resulted from the discovery more than 500 years ago of whole continents upon which dwelt many great tribes who had gone fully 1,450 years since the birth of the Church without ever having heard the faintest wisp of any report of the Gospel, being physically separated from the Eurasian continents and altogether unknown to them or to any and all missionaries and Apostles. In the earliest days, such ignorance was also a concern as many nations were allowed to wallow in ignorance, the truth being confined to the nation of Israel.

        This was a most serious consideration in those early days of the Gospel. Why had the Savior of Mankind come so incredibly late in the overall history of humanity? Even now, with 2,000 years after His coming there remains far more years of recorded human history prior to His coming than after, plus who knows how many more years of unrecorded human history. The question was most directly germane to those newly evangelized nations in that ancient period: "If Jesus Christ is so essential to our salvation, then what is to be said by the Church regarding all our fathers and ancestors before us died before His coming?"

        Of course we know there was the Jєωιѕн nation in the world, and that nation spoke for God in the world. The fact remains of course that many regions in the Far East and the Americas knew nothing of this tiny nation, let alone how the God of this one tiny nation was different from all the other gods of all the nations. Among the Jєωs it was quite simple and cut and dried. If you kept the Law, and made all the appropriate sacrifices for when you didn't, you would be quite safe in the Limbo of the Fathers, awaiting deliverance by the Messiah when He arrives. If you didn't then things didn't go so well for you.

        Among the nations, there were many who learned of the Jєωιѕн nation and either joined it (think of Ruth, of the Biblical book of same name), or those who were edified by it though they returned to their home countries, such as all those such as the Queen of Sheba and others who had come a long way to visit and see the wisdom of Solomon. No doubt even among these there could well have been many who went to the Limbo of the Fathers instead of a worse fate. But overall they obviously would not number anywhere near so much (percentage-wise) as they would among the Jєωs. What is to be said of the rest?

        Even Sacred Scripture itself had to address this pressing question, when it was written therein, "And Peter opening his mouth, said: In very deed I perceive, that God is not a respecter of persons. But in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh justice, is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34-35). He said this regarding Cornelius who had been "a religious man, and fearing God with all his house, giving much alms to the people, and always praying to God." (Acts 10:2-3) In this case, the scenario followed exactly that posited by St. Thomas Aquinas in that Cornelius "saw in a vision manifestly, about the ninth hour of the day, an angel of God coming in unto him, and saying to him: Cornelius. And he, beholding him, being seized with fear, said: What is it, Lord? And he said to him: Thy prayers and thy alms are ascended for a memorial in the sight of God. And now send men to Joppa, and call hither one Simon, who is surnamed Peter: He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side. He will tell thee what thou must do." (Acts 10:3-6) So one has to accept that there were those few among the Gentile nations who had been of sufficient merit in seeking to be pleasing to God can and did actually do so. For this reason he (and others like him in the years to come) was gathered into the Kingdom wherein his good will would not only spare him Purgatorial punishments but also achieve much for the cause of Christ. And again, Scripture also discusses what God has written upon the hearts of all, and of what is to be said of those who abide by it, and of those who do not: "For there is no respect of persons with God. For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another, In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." (Romans 2:11-16)

        So what is to be said of yet others, scattered throughout all ages and times, and who, though of like disposition to Cornelius, were unable to be reached by a preacher? Different experts, speculating on this difficult question have debated over whether or how much of the basics of the Gospel the person must encounter to meet some arbitrary "bare minimum" necessary for salvation, or where exactly that "bare minimum" line is to be drawn. But wherever that may be (if indeed anywhere), I believe that God in His justice and in His desire that all would be saved, or at least all who will to be saved, provides to each such person who seeks Him, though in the worst of ignorance, whatever degree of Grace that He shall expect in return from them in faith and good works. For "unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more" (Luke 12:48). Would not the converse of this also be true, namely that of him to whom little is given, correspondingly little is required?

        Specifically of the pagan ancients who lived before the age of the Gospel and knew little or nothing of the Jєωs and of their Law, quite a number of the ancient Fathers weighed in, regarding their invincible ignorance, and how God allowed for some from among them all to be saved. This in many ways anticipates what Popes Pius IX and XII would much later on write about those burdened with invincible ignorance, which (within the age of the Gospel, the age of the Law of Baptism) would amount to an implicit Baptism of Desire. In the ages previous, I suppose it could be equally proper to speak of such as being with a "Circuмcision of Desire." For before there was the Law of Baptism there was the Law of Circuмcision, which in addition to admitting all exceptions to Circuмcision as the Law of Baptism excuses from the Sacrament of Baptism, also excused all females who, having nothing to "circuмcise," simply proved their adherence to the Law of Circuмcision by their faith and by their keeping of the Law as appropriate to their roles as wife and mother in Jєωιѕн society. So let us see what the Ancient Fathers had to say about the pagan ancients, and especially what few of them were of like disposition as Cornelius:

     Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho the Jєω (45): Since each person would be saved by his own virtue, I also stated that those who obeyed the Mosaic Law would likewise be saved. They who are obliged to obey the Law of Moses will find in it not only precepts which were occasioned by the hardness of your people's hearts, but also those which in themselves are good, holy, and just. Since they who did those things which are universally, naturally, and eternally good are pleasing to God, they shall be saved in the resurrection, together with their righteous forefathers, Noe, Henoch, Jacob, and others, together with those who believe in Christ, the Son of God.

    Justin Martyr, First Apology (1:46, 2:10): If some should accuse us as if we held that people born before the time of Christ were not accountable to God for their actions, we shall anticipate and answer such a difficulty. We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason (logos) were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus and other like them... So also, those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason. Whereas those who lived then, or who live now, according to reason are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid. ... Christ... was and is the Logos who is in everyone and foretold through the prophets the things that were to come, and taught these things in person after becoming like to us in feeling.

    Irenaeus, Against the Heresies (4:22,2; 4:28,2): Christ did not come only for those who lived at the time of the Emperor Tiberius, nor does the Father exercise his providence only for those who are living now. Rather, he has provided for all those who from the beginning have lived virtuously in their own generation and feared and loved God, and treated their neighbors with justice and kindness, and have longed to see Christ and to hear his voice. ... There is one and the same God the Father and his Logos, always assisting the human race, with varied arrangements, to be sure, and doing many things, and saving from the beginning those who are saved, for they are those who love and, according to their generation follow his Logos."

     Clement of Alexandria, Stromata (7:2): God has care of all, since he is the Lord of all. And he is the Savior of all; it cannot be said that he is the Savior of these, and not of others. As each one was disposed to receive it, God distributed his blessings, both to Greeks and to barbarians; and in their own time those were called who were predestined to be among the faithful elect.

     Origen, Against Celsus (4:7): Celsus asks: "How is it that after so many centuries it is only now that God has thought to bring men to live in righteously, and that previously he had had no concern about that?" I reply that there was never a time when God did not want men to be just; he was always concerned about that. Indeed, he always provided beings endowed with reason with the occasions for practicing virtue and doing what is right. In every generation the Wisdom of God descended into those souls which he found holy, and made them to be prophets and friends of God.

     John Chrysostom, Homily on John (8): When the pagans accuse us, saying: "What was Christ doing during all that former time, when he was not yet concerned for the human race? And why has he come at the last minute to provide for our salvation, after neglecting us for so long a time?" we will reply that even before his coming he was already in the world; he was already taking thought of the work he was to accomplish, and he was known to all who proved themselves worthy of such knowledge. You cannot say that at that time he was unknown, because he was not known by all, but only by the upright and virtuous, any more than you can say that today he is not being adored by men, on the grounds that even now not all have come to adore him.

    Hegemonius, Acts of Archelaus with Manes, 28: From the creation of the world He has always been with just men... Were they not made just from the fact that they kept the law, 'Each one of them showing the work of the law on their hearts... ?' For when someone who does not have the law does by nature the things of the law, this one, not having the law, is a law for himself... . For if we judge that a man is made just without the works of the law... how much more will they attain justice who fulfilled the law containing those things which are expedient for men?"

    Arnobius, Against the Nations 2.63: "But, they say :If Christ was sent by God for this purpose, to deliver unhappy souls from the destruction of ruin - what did former ages deserve which before His coming were consumed in the condition of mortality? ... Put aside thee cares, and leave the questions you do not understand; for royal mercy was imparted to them, and the divine benefits ran equally through all. They were conserved, they were liberated, and they put aside the sort and condition of mortality."

    St. Augustine, City of God 18.47: "Nor do I think the Jєωs would dare to argue that no one pertained to God except the Israelites, from the time that Israel came to be... they cannot deny that there were certain men even in other nations who pertained to the true Israelites, the citizens of the fatherland above, not by earthly but by heavenly association."

        There is something else worth noting here: The other pagan religions provided no special access to God or to the Logos or to forgiveness or to grace. "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils. You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of devils: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of devils" (1 Corinthians 10:20-21). In this vein Origen wrote "Since God wants grace to abound, He sees fit to be present... He is present not to the sacrifices of pagans, but to the one who comes to meet Him, and there He gives His word." (Homily on Numbers 16:1) The approach to Christ by ignorant pagans therefore was in all ages at best independent of whatever "religion" their pagan cultures held. For again, "Being therefore the offspring of God, we must not suppose the divinity to be like unto gold, or silver, or stone, the graving of art, and device of man. And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unto men, that all should everywhere do penance" (Acts 17:29-30). In the possibility of some ignorant pagans to have found salvation there is no merit whatsoever (indeed much cause for blame) in pointing said pagans to their pagan ministers, or of joining in "ecuмenical" prayer with these pagan ministers.

        The downside to all this is that such extraordinary graces could only have applied to the smallest minority of persons. Picture some ancient American Indian (whom I shall call "Takawathu"), of like disposition as Cornelius, but with no one to bring him the Gospel, might have attained salvation for himself (but still facing Purgatory upon his death, and furthermore having accomplished nothing for the Kingdom of God in this world), but if he gets to Heaven he gets there all alone. Unless there be among those he knew any such similarly noble personage, everyone he ever knew, his parents, his spouse, his children, his friends, his neighbors - none of them will be with him in Heaven. For in such an alien and hostile culture to the Gospel his worthy example counts for nothing, for the culture provides no basis for preferring righteousness to wrongdoing. If Takawathu decides to seek his Creator, to abide in all things with the Law written upon his heart, even at the expense of his own people's culture and customs, and suffers much for this, such that God ultimately admits him to Heaven, what is there in their society to hold up his example as something to be followed? If his fellow hunter (whom I shall call "Kahichiha") prefers instead to be guided by the tribal medicine men who teach him to violate the Law written on all hearts, what is there to show that Takawathu has done right and Kahichiha has done wrong? What is there in their culture to explain why one went to Heaven and the other did not? And though Takawathu has the grace to be forgiven his sins and even to see God, those good works he does that merit this grace he does in only his own strength, not God's, so it is only he and not Christ who has labored, and again nothing has been accomplished for the Kingdom of God.

        How valuable therefore is the missionary, the Apostle to his tribe, who baptizes such a "Takawathu," now freeing him from all Purgatorial sentence for his past sins, but also placing him at the service of the Kingdom of God that his works may be founded upon God, and thereby empowering him to save others with his fine example and by bringing them to be baptized by the missionary, so that many, perhaps even a whole village or even his whole Tribe might attain salvation, or at least all from among them who do not positively refuse the offer of Life now extended to them!

        Given the above quotes, one cannot deny the probability of there having been any number of such "Takawathu's" on the American continents from the dawn of humanity's entrance into the Americas clear until the Birth of the Church at Pentecost. But what of afterwards? Are we to believe that the Law of Baptism revokes the possibility of there being any further such "Takawathu's" for fully 1,450 years? Are we to believe that the God of the New Testament is cruel where the God of the Old was kind? Never can such a monstrous doctrine be rightly taught!

        Now, did these ancients (and Bible writers for that matter) who wrote the above quotes really and specifically understand that what they were talking about was an implicit Baptism (or Circuмcision) of Desire? I admit there is room to doubt it. This does not mean that they knew of, or believed in, some other additional category of salvation besides that of being baptized into the Church, but only that they trusted in the goodness and mercy of God to be all the perfections He says He is. As I mentioned above, Baptism of Desire may not have been well-known among the rank and file, but among the leaders it was known at least that God would treat any victim of such a misfortune with equity, justice, and mercy, whatever that treatment should actually consist of. The connection between the clear cut and explicit BOD of the catechumen whose life is accidently cut off before his legitimate chance at being baptized on the one hand, and of the more problematical implicit BOD of someone of like disposition as Cornelius, but whose life is similarly cut off before any legitimate chance to enter, or even hear from, the Church, may be at most only vaguely hinted at if at all, but it certainly was never repudiated by anyone.

        Even explicit BOD received much more mention than the Treatise gives credit for. In the Treatise, only Ambrose and Augustine are cited as having even said anything that could even be construed as being favorable to BOD. Even these ancient Fathers (and Doctors) of the Church are rather ill-used within the pages of the Treatise. Starting with Ambrose:

    St. Ambrose, Funeral Oration of Valentinian, 4th century: But I hear that you grieve because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism. Tell me: What else is in your power other than the desire, the request? But he even had this desire for a long time, that, when he should come into Italy, he would be initiated, and recently he signified a desire to be baptized by me, and for this reason above all others he thought that I ought to be summoned. Has he not, then, the grace which he desired; has he not the grace which he requested? And because he asked, he received, and therefore is it said: "By whatsoever death the just man shall be overtaken, his soul shall be at rest." (Wisdom 4:7)

        Grant, therefore, O holy Father, to thy servant the gift which Moses received, because he saw in spirit; the gift which David merited, because he knew from revelation. Grant, I pray, to Thy servant Valentinian the gift which he longed for, the gift which he requested while in health, vigor, and security. If, stricken with sickness, he had deferred it, he would not be entirely without Thy mercy who has been cheated by the swiftness of time, not by his own wish. Grant, therefore, to Thy servant the gift of Thy grace which he never rejected, who on the day before his death refused to restore the privileges of the temples although he was pressed by those whom he could well have feared. A crowd of pagans was present, the Senate entreated, but he was not afraid to displease men so long as he pleased Thee alone in Christ. He who had Thy Spirit, how has he not received Thy grace? Or if the fact disturbs you that the mysteries have not been solemnly celebrated, then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated. But if they are washed in their own blood, his piety and his desire have washed him, also.

        Although the Treatise deals with St. Ambrose after dealing with St. Augustine, St. Ambrose actually preceded St. Augustine, and furthermore was the one who baptized him. This (or rather some small parts of this) is the oldest quote the Treatise admits to being favorable to BOD, but even here the treatment is dishonest. It actually misquotes a small portion near the end of that quote to read, "then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated." So, as the Treatise would put words into the mouth of St. Ambrose, "not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens." Was St. Ambrose actually here denying Baptism of Blood? That is what Peter Dimond (and others like him) would actually have you believe! What else could they have meant when the Treatise states:

    Furthermore, St. Ambrose's funeral speech for Valentinian is extremely ambiguous, as is obvious to anyone who reads the above. In the speech, St. Ambrose clearly says that "martyrs are not crowned [that is, not saved] if they are catechumens," a statement which directly denies the idea of baptism of blood and is perfectly consistent with other statements on the issue, which will be quoted. Ambrose then emphasizes the same point, by stating again that catechumens 'are not crowned if they are uninitiated.'"

        And what "other quotes" are presented in a vain attempt to attribute a denial of such basic Catholic doctrines as BOB and BOD to the sainted Father and Doctor of the Church, Ambrose? Let us look again at the three quotes given in the Treatise, but I give them here as fully presented in the Fr. Jurgens text, with those parts underlined which the Treatise did not include:

    St. Ambrose, De Mysteriis, 390-391 A.D.: You have read, therefore, that the three witnesses in Baptism are one: water, blood, and the Spirit: and if you withdraw any one of these, the Sacrament of Baptism is not valid. For what is water without the cross of Christ? A common element with no sacramental effect. Nor on the other hand is there any mystery of regeneration without water: for "unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Even a catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, by which also he is signed; but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, he cannot receive the remission of sins nor be recipient of the gift of spiritual grace.
    St. Ambrose, De Abraham Libri Duo, 387 A.D. (but wrongly attributed to "The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D." in the Treatise): The Church was redeemed at the price of Christ's blood. Jєω or Greek, it makes no difference; but if he has believed, he must circuмcise himself from his sins so that he can be saved; ... for no one ascends into the kingdom of heaven except through the Sacrament of Baptism.

    St. Ambrose, De Abraham Libri Duo, 387 A.D. (again wrongly attributed to "The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D." in the Treatise): "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." No one is excepted: not the infant, not the one prevented by some necessity. They may, however, have an undisclosed exemption from punishments; but I do not know whether they can have the honor of the kingdom.

        As we saw before with these quotes, the first of these admits that the catechumen is "signed," which speaks of baptism, though while yet a catechumen the "baptism" can only be one of Desire or Blood, should he die such. The other two quotes come close together in the same work, and that last sentence which, though present in the Fr. Jurgens volume, goes unquoted in the Treatise shows that Ambrose was here only giving the general case and not (as yet, in the year 387) addressing what possibilities there would be for certain rare exceptions there would be to those general principles he was discussing in his books on Abraham. The footnote in Jurgens to that last sentence reads, "The present sentence makes it clear that when St. Ambrose says in the preceding "no one is excepted," he means that the Scriptural utterance expresses no exception; he does not know whether or not some logical exception, e. g., state of infancy or actual impossibility or non-culpable ignorance, may have been presumed and left unexpressed." And again, as had been explained before, the reference to a "necessity" here is not the circuмstance of a sudden and unexpected death, but that the person has put other things as more important, that he sees as more important "necessities" than the kingdom of God. And these little useless misquotes represent the sum total of all that the pro-Feeney position apologists have ever been able to put forward from the writings of St. Ambrose to "support" their unholy cause.

        Which brings us back to what Ambrose was talking about here when discussing the particular case of Emperor Valentinian, and explaining his situation to a crowd many of whom may have never faced this situation, and may not have been instructed in this particular nook or cranny of the Faith. Looking at the quote in full, and overall, it should be obvious what is going on. He is plainly putting forth a hypothetical position to show the absurd conclusions one would reach. When he says, "Or if the fact disturbs you that the mysteries have not been solemnly celebrated [such that Valentinian might be damned], then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated," it is plainly like this: "If you have trouble believing that Valentinian has attained eternal life despite his not being baptized in water, then you might as well claim that the martyrs who were not baptized, but only catechumens, wouldn't be saved, though of course as we all know they in fact are saved." Or it would be like saying "if you could change the Mass then you could also have priestesses." St. Ambrose's statement is no more a condemnation of BOB than the previous sentence stating that priestesses are OK. One is not actually contending that the second claim is true, only that the first must be false since the first false one being "true" would imply that the second false and patently absurd one would also be "true." His audience was not sure what to make of the situation of the man who sacrificed much for God and was plainly seeking to be baptized into the Church, and whom death had indeed overtaken prematurely, and his response is that if Valentinian were to be damned, then so would the holy (but unbaptized) martyrs, which his audience knew to be absurd.

        If the unbaptized martyrs are saved by their baptism of blood (which they already knew to be true), then so Valentinian's piety has similarly washed him as well (explicit baptism of desire). Even the context itself readily gives away the truth of this short passage, which starts with "if," as in "if you feel that Valentinian must be doomed for not having been baptized in water," only "then would you have to believe that martyrs are also doomed if they happen to be unbaptized catechumens." He is not denying BOB, let alone BOD, but instead basing his explanation of BOD to the crowd on the basis of BOB. For the existence of one implies the existence of the other. If there is BOB, then there must also be BOD, and conversely, if (per impossible) there were to be no BOD, then neither could there be BOB. His true position is that with which he sums up: "But if they are washed in their own blood, his piety and his desire have washed him, also."

        Of this true position, the Treatise can only say the following:

    He then proceeds to say that if they are washed in their own blood, his (Valentinian's) piety and desire have washed him also, which seems to directly contradict what he just said and seems to teach baptism of desire and blood, although it is not clear, since he did not say that Valentinian was saved without baptism. But if that is what St. Ambrose means, then his funeral speech is nonsensical, since he just clearly denied two times that martyrs can be crowned if they are catechumens. And this is the oldest "text" quoted in favor of the idea of baptism of desire! It is, first of all, contradictory; secondly, it is ambiguous; and thirdly, if interpreted to mean that a catechumen is saved without water baptism, is opposed to every other statement St. Ambrose made on the issue.

        So now we are supposed to suppose that poor St. Ambrose could not make up his own mind as to what he believed or taught, or could not express himself clearly. Like he were unsteady of mind, or talking out of both sides of his mouth, and this is one the Church considers both Father and Doctor! Other such writers who deny BOD have actually accused of St. Ambrose of pandering to the crowd by inventing a new doctrine on the spot just to give them a false consolation. But of course St. Ambrose is not changing his mind mid-speech, he is not halting on two different opinions, and neither is he inventing some new doctrine just to please a crowd. In fact he is expressing himself quite clearly and succinctly, and in full accord with already established doctrine. He contradicts nothing but the pet error/heresy of those who deny BOB and/or BOD, is in no way ambiguous, and finally there is no such "other statement" of his opposed to BOB and BOD.

        The only other thing done in the Treatise is to focus on a bit at the beginning of the quote in which St. Ambrose states that Valentinian "did not receive the sacrament of baptism," and in particular how this particular passage is quoted by Fr. Laisney. I gave the quote above in full exactly as given in Fr. Rulleau's book on pages 30-31, but as given by Fr. Laisney in his book "Is Feeneyism Catholic?" page 61 it says "had not received the sacraments of Baptism." Obviously, if the plural was used, all it meant was that neither Baptism itself, nor any other sacrament, was received by Valentinian, who therefore not only did not swim in the waters of regeneration, but also did not eat of the Flesh of Christ nor drink His Blood, and neither was he sacramentally absolved by a priest nor did he receive the Last Rites. The plural here changes nothing. But in the Treatise it is suggested that perhaps only some other sacraments are referred to, or even to how "solemnly" they had been administered. The Treatise then cites Peter Abélard as accusing St. Ambrose, that he "contradicts tradition in this matter," not clarifying that Abélard was the one contradicting tradition, as St. Bernard demonstrated, and there is no evidence that the Church ever followed Abélard in this; instead Abélard's position was roundly criticized by the Church from the get-go.

        And that is all to be said for Saint Ambrose. But is this quote of Ambrose's really the first to support Baptism of Desire? That is what the Treatise would have one believe, but in fact there are older quotes (not even counting those that pertain to an implicit Baptism of Desire as given above). In one of the quotes from Tertullian in the previous installment, he was discussing the question of whether the original 12 Apostles had been baptized. He believed that they had been baptized at some undocuмented point of time, given such Scriptural hints as "He that is washed, needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean wholly" (John 13:10) and others similar (but less obvious). However, even in the unlikely case that they had not been baptized in water, he still believed their faith alone would nevertheless have saved them:

     Tertullian, On Baptism, Chapter XII - Of the Necessity of Baptism to Salvation (126-135): Now, whether they [the Apostles] were baptized in any manner whatever, or whether they continued unbathed to the end - so that even that saying of the Lord touching the "one bath" does, under the person of Peter, merely regard us - still, to determine concerning the salvation of the apostles is audacious enough, because on them the prerogative even of first choice, and thereafter of undivided intimacy, might be able to confer the compendious grace of baptism, seeing they (I think) followed Him who was wont to promise salvation to every believer. "Thy faith," He would say, "hath saved thee;" and, "Thy sins shall be remitted thee," on thy believing, of course, albeit thou be not yet baptized. If that was wanting to the apostles, I know not in the faith of what things it was, that, roused by one word of the Lord, one left the toll-booth behind for ever; another deserted father and ship, and the craft by which he gained his living; a third, who disdained his father's obsequies, fulfilled, before he heard it, that highest precept of the Lord, "He who prefers father or mother to me, is not worthy of me."

        A much clearer reference to Baptism of Desire occurs in St. Cyprian's writing to Jubaianus. Much is made, merely to discredit St. Cyprian who says certain inconvenient things, of the fact that St. Cyprian did not believe that the baptisms performed by heretics in the name of their rival religions could be valid. Given how significantly different the heretics of his day interpreted such basic and central concepts of the Faith as the Father (Whom some regarded as the "Evil Creator" of crude matter that the Serpent, the purely spiritual "good guy" in their diabology, had come to overthrow), the Son (Whom others regarded as some lesser god, or angel or even as only a man, or else to be the "demiurge") and the Holy Ghost (Who went often ignored or else similarly misrepresented among the heretics), a great many of their baptisms were indeed not valid. For similar reasons, Mormon baptisms, though similarly using water and the correct Scriptural formula, have also never been recognized by the Church as being valid, since their "baptism" is in the names (as they see it, and as they mean in reciting the formula) of three out of however many gods in a Polytheistic universe. And of course yet other heretical groups did not even use the correct formula anyway, or else didn't use water, and so forth. And yet still others didn't even bother with the fiction of a "baptism" at all.

        St. Cyprian therefore saw those with heretical baptisms as being no more baptized than Mormons, and yet viewing things this way he wrote:

    Cyprian, To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics (23): But some one says, "What, then, shall become of those who in past times, coming from heresy to the Church, were received without baptism? "The Lord is able by His mercy to give indulgence, and not to separate from the gifts of His Church those who by simplicity were admitted into the Church, and in the Church have fallen asleep. Nevertheless it does not follow that, because there was error at one time, there must always be error; since it is more fitting for wise and God-fearing men, gladly and without delay to obey the truth when laid open and perceived, than pertinaciously and obstinately to struggle against brethren and fellow-priests on behalf of heretics.

        Cyprian therefore saw those coming from the ranks of the heretics, whether baptized (?) by them or not, as being unbaptized. And here he had to recognize that the Church had been accepting certain ones who had been baptized by heretics into the Church without rebaptizing them. In this he was recognizing his position to be out of step with the then (and now) prevailing practice of the Church. This only shows one more reason as to how we can know that St. Cyprian cannot be quoted as a basis to go rebaptizing those who were already baptized by some schismatic or heretical sect, providing of course their baptism correctly followed the rules of form, matter, intent, and minister. Nevertheless this does not make him a heretic, nor does it remove him from the Fathers, and least of all does it discredit him as a reliable historical source as to what the Church believed and practiced in his day. For though he had his own distinctive position on something, he nevertheless acknowledged the Church's position as well. He saw those coming from having been baptized only in some heretical sect as being exactly as the Church would see anyone coming from a background of having been baptized only into the Mormon church. And if, out of laxity or whatever, some such Mormon were to be admitted to the Church without being rebaptized (and who would therefore really not be baptized at all, having no mark of the Sacrament on his soul), he is here stating the commonly accepted position that such a one, not being baptized through no fault of his own, would still be a recipient of the mercy of God. For when he speaks of the Lord's mercy, he alludes to several Scriptural passages: "Go then and learn what this meaneth, 'I will have mercy and not sacrifice.' For I am not come to call the just, but sinners" (Matthew 9:13); "And if you knew what this meaneth: 'I will have mercy, and not sacrifice' you would never have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7) and "For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment" (James 2:13).

        So what of this error of St. Cyprian's which those who wish to discredit him attempt to use? Let us look briefly at his own description of why he thought what he did, and then also how it was commented on later:

    Cyprian, To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics (25): And now by certain of us the baptism of heretics is asserted to occupy the (like) ground, and, as if by a certain dislike of re-baptizing, it is counted unlawful to baptize after God's enemies. And this, although we find that they were baptized whom John had baptized: John, esteemed the greatest among the prophets; John, filled with divine grace even in his mother's womb; who was sustained with the spirit and power of Elias; who was not an adversary of the Lord, but His precursor and announcer; who not only foretold our Lord in words, but even showed Him to the eyes; who baptized Christ Himself by whom others are baptized. But if on that account a heretic could obtain the right of baptism, because he first baptized, then baptism will not belong to the person that has it, but to the person that seizes it. And since baptism and the Church can by no means be separated from one another, and divided, he who has first been able to lay hold on baptism has equally also laid hold on the Church; and you begin to appear to him as a heretic, when you being anticipated, have begun to be last, and by yielding and giving way have relinquished the right which you had received. But how dangerous it is in divine matters, that any one should depart from his right and power, Holy Scripture declares when, in Genesis, Esau thence lost his birthright, nor was able afterwards to regain that which he had once given up.

        So, in his eyes, if even those with John the Baptist's baptism had to be rebaptized, how much more those with only some baptism of some heretic! One has to bear in mind that this was in no way a settled issue at his time. The only guiding principle St. Cyprian had to go by was the wide precedent of the actual practice of the Church, which he was bound to recognize, even as he recommended the abolition of the practice. In addition, he consulted some 80 fellow bishops of the Church in this matter and obtained their universal consent and agreement. In that he differed from the Donatists who claimed to base their false idea on his writings, but where his mistake was an honest one, theirs was dishonest, heretical, and even schismatic. St. Augustine writes of this episode:

    St. Augustine, On Baptism, Book 1, Chapter 18, 28: There are great proofs of this existing on the part of the blessed martyr Cyprian, in his letters, - to come at last to him of whose authority they carnally flatter themselves they are possessed, whilst by his love they are spiritually overthrown. For at that time, before the consent of the whole Church had declared authoritatively, by the decree of a plenary Council, what practice should be followed in this matter, it seemed to him, in common with about eighty of his fellow bishops of the African churches, that every man who had been baptized outside the communion of the Catholic Church should, on joining the Church, be baptized anew. And I take it, that the reason why the Lord did not reveal the error in this to a man of such eminence, was, that his pious humility and charity in guarding the peace and health of the Church might be made manifest, and might be noticed, so as to serve as an example of healing power, so to speak, not only to Christians of that age, but also to those who should come after. For when a bishop of so important a Church, himself a man of so great merit and virtue, endowed with such excellence of heart and power of eloquence, entertained an opinion about baptism different from that which was to be confirmed by a more diligent searching into the truth; though many of his colleagues held what was not yet made manifest by authority, but was sanctioned by the past custom of the Church, and afterwards embraced by the whole Catholic world; yet under these circuмstances he did not sever himself, by refusal of communion, from the others who thought differently, and indeed never ceased to urge on the others that they should "forbear one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." For so, while the framework of the body remained whole, if any infirmity occurred in certain of its members, it might rather regain its health from their general soundness, than be deprived of the chance of any healing care by their death in severance from the body. And if he had severed himself, how many were there to follow! what a name was he likely to make for himself among men! how much more widely would the name of Cyprianist have spread than that of Donatist! But he was not a son of perdition, one of those of whom it is said, "Thou castedst them down while they were elevated;" but he was the son of the peace of the Church, who in the clear illumination of his mind failed to see one thing, only that through him another thing might be more excellently seen. "And yet," says the apostle, "show I unto you a more excellent way: though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." He had therefore imperfect insight into the hidden mystery of the sacrament. But if he had known the mysteries of all sacraments, without having charity, it would have been nothing. But as he, with imperfect insight into the mystery, was careful to preserve charity with all courage and humility and faith, he deserved to come to the crown of martyrdom; so that, if any cloud had crept over the clearness of his intellect from his infirmity as man, it might be dispelled by the glorious brightness of his blood. For it was not in vain that our Lord Jesus Christ, when He declared Himself to be the vine, and His disciples, as it were, the branches in the vine, gave command that those which bare no fruit should be cut off, and removed from the vine as useless branches. But what is really fruit, save that new offspring, of which He further says, "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another?" This is that very charity, without which the rest profiteth nothing. The apostle also says: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance;" which all begin with charity, and with the rest of the combination forms one unity in a kind of wondrous cluster. Nor is it again in vain that our Lord added, "And every branch that beareth fruit, my Father purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit," but because those who are strong in the fruit of charity may yet have something which requires purging, which the Husbandman will not leave untended. Whilst then, that holy man entertained on the subject of baptism an opinion at variance with the true view, which was afterwards thoroughly examined and confirmed after most diligent consideration, his error was compensated by his remaining in Catholic unity, and by the abundance of his charity; and finally it was cleared away by the pruning-hook of martyrdom.

        And again one should note that St. Cyprian's real mistake was subsequently addressed by other fathers quite directly. But if his belief that God could be merciful in cases where a soul failed to be baptized through no fault of their own were also to be listed as being yet another error of his, why is there no comparable response to that supposed mistake? In particular, why does no subsequent Father write of St. Cyprian's opinion that those unbaptized through no fault of their own could be shown God's mercy, explaining why and how he was wrong, as St. Augustine does here above in the first case wherein he really was wrong?

        Yet there is more. Even as Tertullian had so clearly described Baptism of Blood in the chapter on that quoted in full in the previous installment, another ancient writer, a contemporary of St. Cyprian, described Baptism of Desire in similarly clear detail:

    A Treatise on Re-Baptism by an Anonymous Writer (15), attributed to Bishop Ursinus and composed about 256 A. D.: And since we seem to have divided all spiritual baptism in a threefold manner, let us come also to the proof of the statement proposed, that we may not appear to have done this of our own judgment, and with rashness. For John says of our Lord in his epistle, teaching us: "This is He who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood: and it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For three bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one;" - that we may gather from these words both that water is wont to confer the Spirit, and that men's own blood is wont to confer the Spirit, and that the Spirit Himself also is wont to confer the Spirit. For since water is poured forth even as blood, the Spirit also was poured out by the Lord upon all who believed. Assuredly both in water, and none the less in their own blood, and then especially in the Holy Spirit, men may be baptized. For Peter says: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet; It shall come to pass in the last days, saith the Lord, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh: and their sons and their daughters shall prophesy, and their young men shall see visions, and their old men shall dream dreams: and upon my servants, and upon my handmaidens, will I pour out of my Spirit;" - which Spirit we discover to have been communicated in the Old Testament, not indeed everywhere nor at large, but with other gifts; or, moreover, to have sprung of His own will into certain men, or to have invested them, or to have been upon them, even as we observe that it was said by the Lord to Moses, about the seventy elders, "And I will take of the Spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them." For which reason also, according to His promise, God put upon them from another of the Spirit which had been upon Moses, and they prophesied in the camp. And Moses, as a spiritual man, rejoiced that this had so happened, although he was unwillingly persuaded by Jesus the son of Nave to oppose this thing, and was not thereby induced. Further, also in the book of Judges, and in the books of Kings too, we observe that upon several, there either was the Spirit of the Lord, or that He came unto them, as upon Othoniel, Gideon, Jephthah, Samson, Saul, David, and many others. Which comes to this result, that the Lord has taught us most plainly by them the liberty and power of the Holy Spirit, approaching of His own will, saying, "The Spirit breathes where He will; and thou hearest His voice, and knowest not whence He cometh or whither He goeth." So that the same Spirit is, moreover, sometimes found to be upon those who are unworthy of Him; not certainly in vain or without reason, but for the sake of some needful operation; as He was upon Saul, upon whom came the Spirit of God, and he prophesied. However, in later days, after the Spirit of the Lord departed from him, and after a malign spirit from the Lord vexed him, because then he had come, after the messengers whom he had previously sent before with care, with intent to kill David; and they therefore fell into the chorus of the prophets, and they prophesied, so that they neither were able nor willing to do what they had been bidden. And we believe that the Spirit which was upon them all effected this with an admirable wisdom, by the will of God. Which Spirit also filled John the Baptist even from his mother's womb; and it fell upon those who were with Cornelius the centurion before they were baptized with water. Thus, cleaving to the baptism of men, the Holy Spirit either goes before or follows it; or failing the baptism of water, it falls upon those who believe. We are counseled that either we ought duly to maintain the integrity of baptism, or if by chance baptism is given by any one in the name of Jesus Christ, we ought to supplement it, guarding the most holy invocation of the name of Jesus Christ, as we have most abundantly set forth; guarding, moreover, the custom and authority which so much claim our veneration for so long a time and for such great men.

        I have no doubt that someone might wish to post the objection that this passage is "only" some anonymous quote. In that same category however one would have to put the Didache, and for that matter even the Apostle's Creed! Even the Biblical book of Hebrews, though sometimes attributed to Saint Paul, shows some signs of quite possibly having been written by someone else, and after Paul's own death. This "Treatise on Re-Baptism by an Anonymous Writer" has always been included among the collected works of the ancient Fathers. This same passage was also cited by Msgr. Joseph Pohle (one of Fr. Anthony Cekada's "25 theologians") in his book "The Sacraments - a Dogmatic Treatise," on page 245.

        I think we should by now be able to see that, between the quotes regarding those who lived in ignorance, and the above several writers who also believed in the possibility of those being saved who, through no fault of their own, failed to attain the baptism of water before they died, whether they died as martyrs or not, that the establishment of the Church teachings of Baptism of Blood and Desire were in no way in any doubt by the time Sts. Ambrose and Augustine came on the scene. Of all the ancient fathers it seems to me that St. Augustine has been by far the most criminally misrepresented by heretics of many stripes. For this reason i
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    "There is only one universal Church of the faithful, outside
    of which no one at all can be saved."
    (Pope Innocent III, Fourth
    Lateran Council, 1215. Denz. 802.)

    "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
    necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject
    to the Roman Pontiff."
    (Pope Boniface VIII, in the bull, Unam
    Sanctam, 1302. Denz. 875.)

    "The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and
    teaches, that none of those who are not within the Catholic
    Church, not only pagans, but Jєωs, heretics and schismatics, can
    ever be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire
    'prepared for the devil, and his angels' (Mt. 25: 41)., unless before
    the close of their lives they shall have entered into that Church;
    also that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is such that the
    Church's sacraments avail only those abiding in that Church, and
    that fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of piety which play their
    part in the Christian combat are in her alone productive of
    eternal rewards; moreover, that no one, no matter what alms he
    may have given, not even if he were to shed his blood for Christ's
    sake, can be saved unless he abide in the bosom and unity of the
    Catholic Church."
    (Mansi, Concilia, xxxi, 1739; Pope Eugene IV, in
    the bull, Cantate Domino, 1441. Denz. 1351.)

    The implications of these pronouncements, taken together, are as
    follows:
    1. All three of these statements are ex cathedra definitions of the
    Church and of the Pontiffs who made them.

    2. Being ex cathedra definitions, they must be taken literally,
    unequivocally, and absolutely. Hence, to attempt to modify or qualify
    them in any way is to deny them.

    3. The doctrine says that only (Roman) Catholics go to Heaven;
    all others are lost, that is, they do not go to Heaven, but to Hell. All
    who are inclined to dispute this dogma should have the good sense to
    realize that if this is not what the words of the definitions mean, the
    Church would never have promulgated such a position. To give any
    other meaning to these words is to portray the Church as foolish and
    ridiculous; to quote Pope Pius XII, it is to reduce the Dogma of
    Exclusive Salvation to a "meaningless formula."

    4. The pronouncements indicate that, by divine decree, those
    only will be saved who are members of the Church when they die.
    This membership must be formal, real, explicit, and, in those of the
    (mental) age of reason, deliberate. There is no such thing as "potential"
    membership in the Church (except that which refers to everyone
    outside the Church), or "implicit" membership, or "quasimembership,"
    or "invisible membership," or anything of the kind.
    Neither can those who are catechumens, that is, those who are preparing
    to enter the Church, be considered members.

    5. Excluded also from this real and necessary membership are
    those who are unwilling to submit to the religious sovereignty of the
    Pope, though their faith be otherwise Catholic, and their morals
    laudable. All this means that the Church establishes the terms of
    membership within itself-and is reasserting them by these
    decrease-and no one else.

    6. Similarly, the decrees exclude all exceptions whatsoever, and
    implied in them is the sanctioning of all subterfuges and excuses such
    as "invincible ignorance," "good will," "baptism of desire," and the
    like.

    7. Since the aforementioned formula (Extra Ecciesiam Nulla
    Salus) is a doctrine of Catholicity, it is the standard of orthodoxy on
    the subject of salvation; which is to say, all writers, whether they be
    saints and/or Doctors, of old or of late, all popes and theologians, of
    whatever era, and their pronouncements are reliable in their treatment
    of this subject, if they accept and support it. Their testimony or
    opinions are useless (at best), if they do not, this regardless of any
    other contribution they may have made to Catholic erudition. The
    same must be said of the works of all Catholic writers.

    'Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis. August 12, 1950. No. 27


    8. Such a dogmatic statement is the most certain knowledge that
    men have, more certain than metaphysical principles, or mathematical
    formulas, or historical accounts. It is the revelation and proposition of
    God Himself.

    9. Such a dogmatic statement is not to be colored, or reduced, or
    altered, by reference to the Sacred Scriptures. On the contrary, it is in
    terms of such a statement that all the Scriptures are to be read and un-
    10. This doctrine is a mystery, as are all the sacred dogmas of
    the Faith. This means that it cannot be fully understood, nor adequately
    explained. As with other dogmas, were this truth self-evident, or
    provable, or comprehensible, there would be little reason for the
    Church to define it.

    11. The negative tenor of these definitions is to warn that any
    word, or artifice, or attentuation, which relieves every individual of
    the human race from the obligation of joining the Roman Catholic
    Church is condemned as contrary to divine prescription.
    12. Let the reader accept the reasonable fact that the Pontiffs
    who pronounced these decrees were perfectly literate and fully
    cognizant of what they were saying. If there were any need to soften
    or qualify their meanings, they were quite capable of doing so. They
    were not regarded as heretics or fanatics at the time of their pronouncements,
    and have never been labelled such by the Church to this very
    day. It is an easy thing for the people of this "enlightened' age to fall
    into the modern delusion that the men of former times, especially
    those of the Middle Ages, were not as bright as we are, so that they
    sometimes said they knew not what.

    13. The dates of these definitions are extremely important. They
    mark the time when the Church terminated speculation and discussion.

    For example, where St. Paul says: "For the unbelieving husband is
    sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by
    the believing husband; otherwise your children should be unclean; but
    now they are holy' (I Cor. 7:14)., he does not mean that a pagan spouse is
    made holy by the mere fact of his being married to a Catholic woman. He
    can only mean that the marital association with the Catholic can be a
    source of actual grace to the pagan, with the result that he may be drawn
    toward the Church. This being the case, being married to a pagan is not
    intrinsically evil. He means also that this is a true marriage, even if imperfect,
    so that the Catholic need not fear that the children may be illegitimate.

    14. The Doctrine of Exclusive Salvation is described as fundamental
    or "foundational" to Catholic theology. It is called the
    "Dogma of Faith," because, of a truth, unless a person accepts it in all
    its momentous absoluteness, he really does not accept the Catholic
    Faith, howsoever he protests that he does. Conversely, he who dilutes
    this doctrine to any degree, so radically distorts the Faith that he
    renders it null and void, and his own faith in the bargain. For he who
    denies this doctrine makes Catholicity hardly more than a nicety, as if
    membership in the Church were like the first-class compartment on a
    commercial airliner, in which the majority of others will arrive at the
    same destination, really none the worse for their second-class
    transport.

    15. Almost everybody who writes or comments on this subject
    explains the doctrine by explaining it away, as we shall see further on.
    He begins by affirming the truth of the axiom, Extra Ecciesiam, etc.,
    and ends by denying it-while continuing to insist vigorously that he
    is not doing so. He seems to think it a clever thing to state the formula,
    then to weasel out of it. What he ought to do is one of two
    things: either admit that he does not believe this dogma (and also in
    the same breath, that he does not believe in the Dogma of the
    Church's Infallibility); or he should allow for the possibility that there
    is something about the Catholic Doctrine of Salvation of which he is
    unaware, or which he refuses to accept, or has been misled into denying.

    16. The doctrine determines who has good will and who has bad
    will. Those who have bad will are in the state of sin. In rejecting of
    God's accredited word and work, they reveal their true selves: They
    choose not to be among those of whom Christ spoke when he said: "I
    know mine, and mine know me." (Jn. 10:14). When it is responded
    that certain individuals do not know that what they are hearing is
    God's word, the reply is: What is being said demands that careful
    inquiry be made. If the inquiry is made with the disposition of
    humility, integrity, and courage, the inquirer will find that the word
    cannot be denied. No argument or evidence has ever been discovered
    which will leave the honest man free of the revealed word's imperative.

    17. It important that the reader who thinks he disagrees with the
    literal reading of these decrees not throw his hands up in indignation
    and put this book aside with the exclamation of "Heresy!" It should be
    obvious that the reason Catholics, himself included, regard heresy
    with such horror and alarm is this very doctrine. For if there is salvation
    outside the Church, what difference does it make whether one is
    in the Church or out of it, whether one is a heretic in the judgment of
    the Church or not? Really, if to deny this doctrine is not heresy, there
    is no such thing as heresy, and it would have been pointless, as well
    as illogical, for the Church to attach such severe censures to the denial
    of this or any other doctrine.

    18. This doctrine is the basis for the labors of all who seek to
    maintain and restore traditional Catholicity, though most of those who
    are engaged in this struggle have yet to realize the fact. Without this
    doctrine, assented to absolutely, Traditionalists have no cause and no
    argument against the current "reform" in the Church, as it is called.

    19. From this point on, instead of protesting either internally or
    audibly against a position which seems altogether rash, callous,
    and/or indefensible, let the reader quietly and humbly submit his mind
    to the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth. (Jn. 14:17). Let him be convinced
    that the language used does not imply a personal attack upon
    him, but is for the glory of this holy doctrine, and in opposition to the
    heresy which denies it.

    20. Since we hold the Doctrine of Exclusive Salvation, we hold
    all modifications, qualifications, attenuations, and denials of it to be
    heresy, and those who defend these positions to be material heretics at
    least. It is contrary to Catholic tradition to treat heresy amicably, or
    heretics as brothers in Christ, but rather, as His enemies. If in places
    the language of this writing seem acidic, it is so in order to brace
    dissenters with their true standing with respect to Christ, Who is the
    Truth.

    21. The effort herein will be to affirm the eminent and radical
    objectivity of the Catholic Faith. Every dogma is a statement by the
    Church of a rock-like truth which is immovable and immutable. It is
    in no way subject to human plebiscite, and, like God Himself, about
    Whom it speaks, must be recognized as greater than man, because it is
    true.

    22. Contrariwise, every heresy is the denial of a divinely revealed
    truth, the denial of a divine act and dispensation. And, as such, it is the denial of a supernatural mystery and concrete reality. It
    is, in other words, a non-reality, a nothing presented as a reality. And
    being a nothing, it can effect nothing. And regardless of the fervor, or
    sincerity, or joyful assurance of those who are deluded by it, it can do
    nothing for them. There is no power in a negation of reality, there
    is no substance in error. If the reader bears this truism in mind while
    reading the pages that follow, he will find them more digestible.

    23. Let all know that they have no choice but to accept this
    doctrine-if they would be saved. We are not proposing a theory here,
    or a merely stricter interpretation. This matter is already closed, and
    the author has the obligation of propounding it for no other reason
    than that it is Catholic truth.

    24. The fact that this all-important doctrine is unknown, or
    misunderstood, or misinterpreted, by most Catholics points up the
    need that all have to re-learn the truth that Catholicity is an objective
    religion, whereas Protestantism (to say nothing of other "religions') is
    for the most part subjective; and the tenets of Humanism which
    underlie the Liberalism of Conciliar Catholics are totally subjective.
    When we say that our religion is objective-something that should
    not have to be said, and must be said simply because the thinking of
    most believers is woefully twisted-we mean that, with respect to
    religion in general, and the matter of salvation of souls in particular,
    there is an objective truth about these matters which is perfectly
    knowable, but not subject to human opinion or sentiment. All is
    governed by what God has established, and that is all there is to it. As
    Fr. Denis Fahey said, "To the Divine Plan for order there neither is
    nor can be any man-made alternative. Man has not even got the right
    to propose an alternative. His duty is simply to try to grasp what God
    has instituted and bow down his head in humble acceptance."'

    25. This dogma rules out the possibility of simple invincible
    ignorance concerning the matter of salvation; those who die in
    ignorance of the Church as the only course of salvific grace must be
    adjudged to have been culpably so. In a word, they did not know
    because they did not want to know. (A discussion of invincible
    ignorance will come in due course.)

    The Mystical Body of Christ and the Reorganization of Society, by Fr. D.
    Fahey. Regina Publications, Ltd., Y.P. House Rotunda. Dublin 1, Ireland.
    Preface, p. 1. We consider the works of Fr. Fahey must reading for all
    well-educated Catholics. A number of them, either new or used, can be obtained
    from Jane's Book Service, P.O. Box 3622, Reno, NV 89505.

    26. As far as the reader may think us to be from Catholic truth
    on account of our uncompromisingness concerning this doctrine is he
    himself for want of it. If he judges us to be in heresy, and for that very
    reason to some degree estranged from the Church, this writing will
    seek to convince him that to that very degree is he. This means that he
    must prepare to re-think and even to re-learn his Faith in the light of
    this holy doctrine.

    Having said these things, this writer's task, in one respect, is
    completed, even though, obviously, there are many pages to follow;
    that is, no matter how poorly he deals with the objections to this
    dogma hereafter, and no matter whether he contributes anything to its
    elucidation, its truth will remain unimpaired, and a major part of the
    thesis of the book has been established. In other words, he delights in
    his assignment of betting on a sure winner.






    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 04:15:04 PM »
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  • LoT, you exhibit an almost diabolical contempt for the dogma EENS.

    Had I the time or patience, I could show the error / falsehood/ distortion / lie in each and every sentence in your latest (unapproved) tome on the subject.

    Why are you publishing this without ecclesiastical approval?

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    « Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 08:59:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Nov/nov1str.htm

     Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner  



    Total smokescreen. Typical BODer diatribe, 99.99% talking about BOD &BOB of the catechumen, meanwhile they don't even believe that explicit desire for baptism or explicit desire for martyrdom, or explicit desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ is necessary for salvation. That BODer belief in salvation without explcit belief in Christ, is opposed to the dogmatic decree of Florence, the Athanasian Creed, St. Thomas Aquinas, and is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint or council.

    How's that for dishonesty and deceit!

    It takes the cake.

    These BODers are total hypocrites.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 06:14:20 AM »
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  • Feel free to refute the following if you can:

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Nov/nov1str.htm

    Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner to show how quotes from the authoritative sources can be made to sound as if they have stated unreasonable propositions which they themselves obviously wouldn't. Parts 2 through 4 of this series introduced Peter Dimond's treatise, "Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation," (hereinafter referred to as "the Treatise"), an attempt which gathers a great deal of material about the question of Baptism of Blood (hereinafter referred to as "BOB") and Baptism of Desire (hereinafter referred to as "BOD"), and there, the standard dogmatic and doctrinal texts, Sacred Scripture, and the Church Fathers were explored to see if their declarations and statements really showed any reason to doubt the Catholic doctrines of BOB and BOD, and to expose some significant instances of scholastic dishonesty employed to make it seem as if they did. Parts 5 through 8 began a consideration of the objections raised and acknowledged as such within the scope of the Treatise, showing that these objections do comprise significant reasons to believe in BOB and BOD despite the wretched attempts in the Treatise to minimize their impact or explain them away. With part 9 I began another phase of the consideration of the objections, namely those raised and acknowledged in the Treatise, but in other places outside the two "objections" Sections.

        The case for BOB among the Ancient Fathers is such a slam-dunk that it's a wonder that anyone, be it Fr. Feeney himself, or Peter Dimond, or anyone else could possibly have had the temerarious audacity to challenge it. For one thing, BOB was never abused as BOD had been, so why should anyone be motivated to try to get rid of it? For the other, those canonized saints whom the Church specifically believed to have not been baptized in water (even if any of them might have secretly gotten one without the Church's knowledge) provides such a yea verily smoking gun proof that the Church, even from the most ancient times, clearly did believe that those who lose their lives for Christ's sake, though they be not baptized in water (through no fault of their own), would nevertheless find it. Finally there the horrifying and monstrous "doctrine" that God would be so iniquitous as to deny salvation even to those who give their own lives specifically for Him and His cause, who endure all manner of suffering voluntarily, only to be told when it is over, "Sorry, you're not allowed into Heaven since you didn't happen to be baptized in water." An ordinary person, whose death in no way relates to being of the Faith, but merely whatever sort of death could befall anyone, is one thing, but such heroes of the Faith are quite another, and there is nothing more patently iniquitous as to consign such to the fires of Hell. And as mentioned before, not even Peter Abélard ever thought of going against BOB.

        Baptism of Desire however has not quite these credentials among the ancient texts. That is not to say that there is not plenty of reason to believe in them even from the writings of the ancients, but this particular category, as such, does not receive anywhere near the degree of discussion, mention, or detail as Baptism of Blood receives, and furthermore there are no canonized BOD saints. Finally, as mentioned at the end of the previous installment, at least a few of the Ancient Fathers appear to have been unaware of BOD, having said such things as "If any man receive not Baptism, he hath not salvation; except only Martyrs, who even without the water receive the kingdom." What are we to make of such comments? Is BOD some later "development of doctrine," unknown to the ancients, possibly discovered legitimately, but also, supposedly, possibly invented outright, by the Church?

        There are in fact quite a number of rather practical and obvious reasons why BOD would not receive anywhere near the attention BOB receives from the Ancient Fathers, so in point of fact the somewhat slimmer evidence (and not at all that much slimmer, as shall be seen) is quite certainly what we should expect. Let us now explore those reasons:


    1) In those early days during which Christians were routinely persecuted, fed to lions, burned, crushed, torn to pieces, forced to watch loved ones die right in front of them, and so forth, a mere accidental death of a catechumen was very much the rare exception. The far more likely situation was that he would be summarily yanked off the street and put to death without warning or explanation. In the ordinary course of things, without persecution, or evident immediate danger of such things as war, shipwreck, plagues, sickness, or extreme old age, by far most people can reasonably almost count on being able to follow through with something they have committed to do anytime within the next year or more. Furthermore, most of these possible situations also present some warning of their coming. A war is declared, a person is conscripted to serve in an army, a ship encounters a significant storm, a person gets ill, an infant is born obviously too sickly to make it to the Church to be baptized in time, an elderly person goes "around the knee" into that last fading into death. All of these situations provide easy and ample opportunity for an emergency baptism to be properly and legitimately performed. So the miniscule balance of cases in which death comes suddenly, without warning, but not as a persecution, to a person who is proceeding, perhaps as a catechumen, or at least as someone who really is on his way in the Grace of God to becoming a catechumen, is exceedingly quite rare. Given how far more common death through persecution was during those opening centuries of course this would receive far less attention than that.

    2) As a result of not happening very much, and correspondingly less written of, perhaps it was also less often asked about, so answers and challenges and responses regarding it would be similarly rare or virtually nonexistent. It was not something that came into the common experience of the typical Christian or prospective convert. There is no denying that this other "exception" to water baptism was far less known to the ordinary rank and file, though the leadership of the Church must have known of it, but simply had little occasion to mention it. This might also account for the funeral speech given by St. Ambrose in which he needed to teach of this particular nook or cranny of Catholic doctrine since to those who had known Emperor Valentinian this question would have been of actual concern. So he takes this occasion to expound to the common public this particular doctrine known to himself and the other leaders of the Church, but before this only most rarely explained to the rank and file, and then only to much smaller and more limited groups. Unlike the usual case where this happens and only one's immediate circle of friends and family would need to be consoled with this information, Emperor Valentinian was a prominent and well-loved figure mourned by very many, so this particular instance was heard, not merely by some small group of immediate friends and family, but by a large group of people, and was therefore deemed worth recording so we have it to this day.

    3) There was also a legitimate reason not to be discussing this concept more than absolutely necessary since (as would arise with the case of the Protestants who went on to construe such "exceptions" to being an excuse to blow off even bothering to get baptized at all). The danger that an individual catechumen might, upon learning of this possible exception, presume upon his salvation even if he is too lazy to get baptized, was simply too great to encourage by wide and loud dissemination of this particular teaching. One must also deal with the fact that at such early times, it may not have been clearly understood that though such a catechumen might ultimately be saved, he would (in virtually all cases) have at least some degree of Purgatory to endure, for that cleansing of all punishment for past sins afforded by water baptism or martyrdom would not apply to him. It is not even clear whether any fasts or other mortifications would be of such benefit to the catechumen. So if one learns of this then why not wait until the last possible moment to be baptized? It is said that Emperor Constantine did exactly that, and (luckily for him) was able to go through with being baptized in his very last days upon this earth. Well, he might have been "Constantine the Great" in this world due to his great and worthwhile accomplishments as a mere "catechumen," but with his late baptism not only all his sins but also all his accomplishments up to that same point count for nothing in the Kingdom of God and he is no more "the Great" in Heaven than is any baby who is baptized and who dies before reaching the age of reason. With the clear threat of persecution, to say nothing of the pleasures and distractions of the world, many of which are unjust and would have to be abandoned upon one's baptism, there did nevertheless arise a whole "class" of "lingering catechumens." They became those who were "ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of truth" spoken of in 2 Timothy 3:7, contenting themselves to remain mere catechumens well past the time and not to become of the baptized Faithful. For such neglect of the Sacrament they would not be saved if they died thus, as St. John Chrysostom spoke of when he said "if it should come to pass, (which God forbid!) that through the sudden arrival of death we depart hence uninitiated, though we have ten thousand virtues, our portion will be no other than hell." So quite understandably the fact that some few catechumens could be saved if they died thus, providing they were in no way despising or putting off the Sacrament, would not be often commented upon or written of. That we have anything of it at all is rather amazing, but no doubt Providential.

    4) Only the martyrs were honored. As mentioned above, there are no BOD saints canonized since there was nothing heroic regarding their deaths, and in life they had never become members of the Church. So whatever accomplishments they might have had that were favorable to the Church and as such worth some sort of Divine commendation (as in the case of Emperor Valentinian, or even in the above example of Emperor Constantine whose significant accomplishments were not as a baptized Christian), nevertheless do not of themselves count towards any sainthood, but only cause for Grace to be admitted to their lives, either the opportunity of being among those lingering catechumens fortunate enough to actually have their water baptism before going out of this world, or else of being the first widely known and clear-cut example of BOD (Valentinian). Every time some unbaptized martyr came up on the liturgical calendar, the matter of BOB had to become known, at least through the bare fact of it, if not through any additional explanation given right then in the homily or elsewhere to account for the saint's being commemorated despite not being baptized in water. Without any BOD saints this question would never come up regarding BOD at any point in the whole liturgical calendar.

    5) Finally, it is even possible that those who spoke of martyrdom as the only exception to water baptism may have regarded BOD as a kind of martyrdom of sorts. There is sometimes a "dry martyrdom" which is spoken of. First of all, there is to all of what it is to be any real and practicing Christian/Catholic, a kind of martyrdom in which one puts to death all the desires of the flesh and all fleshly compensation in life, seeking an interior devotion to God, and being seen by God who sees fully into the hearts of all, to be made of that same stuff as that of any actual blood-baptized martyr. Second of all, the suffering to be endured, though not willed or given consent to specifically as in the case of a blood-baptized martyr, is only all the greater for taking place in Purgatory. So the lone exception of martyrdom as mentioned in some few of the Ancient Fathers could nevertheless be with this implicit inclusion of BOD in the category of martyrs.

        Interestingly however, even the topic of invincible ignorance was of considerable concern in those early days. How easy it is to dismiss such a consideration as though it were something introduced for the first time by Pope Pius IX, when various liberals, rationalists, and so forth were pressing for every excuse under the sun for not following the Gospel. Ignorance however is not a unique consideration to our times, but in our times the consideration resulted from the discovery more than 500 years ago of whole continents upon which dwelt many great tribes who had gone fully 1,450 years since the birth of the Church without ever having heard the faintest wisp of any report of the Gospel, being physically separated from the Eurasian continents and altogether unknown to them or to any and all missionaries and Apostles. In the earliest days, such ignorance was also a concern as many nations were allowed to wallow in ignorance, the truth being confined to the nation of Israel.

        This was a most serious consideration in those early days of the Gospel. Why had the Savior of Mankind come so incredibly late in the overall history of humanity? Even now, with 2,000 years after His coming there remains far more years of recorded human history prior to His coming than after, plus who knows how many more years of unrecorded human history. The question was most directly germane to those newly evangelized nations in that ancient period: "If Jesus Christ is so essential to our salvation, then what is to be said by the Church regarding all our fathers and ancestors before us died before His coming?"

        Of course we know there was the Jєωιѕн nation in the world, and that nation spoke for God in the world. The fact remains of course that many regions in the Far East and the Americas knew nothing of this tiny nation, let alone how the God of this one tiny nation was different from all the other gods of all the nations. Among the Jєωs it was quite simple and cut and dried. If you kept the Law, and made all the appropriate sacrifices for when you didn't, you would be quite safe in the Limbo of the Fathers, awaiting deliverance by the Messiah when He arrives. If you didn't then things didn't go so well for you.

        Among the nations, there were many who learned of the Jєωιѕн nation and either joined it (think of Ruth, of the Biblical book of same name), or those who were edified by it though they returned to their home countries, such as all those such as the Queen of Sheba and others who had come a long way to visit and see the wisdom of Solomon. No doubt even among these there could well have been many who went to the Limbo of the Fathers instead of a worse fate. But overall they obviously would not number anywhere near so much (percentage-wise) as they would among the Jєωs. What is to be said of the rest?

        Even Sacred Scripture itself had to address this pressing question, when it was written therein, "And Peter opening his mouth, said: In very deed I perceive, that God is not a respecter of persons. But in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh justice, is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34-35). He said this regarding Cornelius who had been "a religious man, and fearing God with all his house, giving much alms to the people, and always praying to God." (Acts 10:2-3) In this case, the scenario followed exactly that posited by St. Thomas Aquinas in that Cornelius "saw in a vision manifestly, about the ninth hour of the day, an angel of God coming in unto him, and saying to him: Cornelius. And he, beholding him, being seized with fear, said: What is it, Lord? And he said to him: Thy prayers and thy alms are ascended for a memorial in the sight of God. And now send men to Joppa, and call hither one Simon, who is surnamed Peter: He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side. He will tell thee what thou must do." (Acts 10:3-6) So one has to accept that there were those few among the Gentile nations who had been of sufficient merit in seeking to be pleasing to God can and did actually do so. For this reason he (and others like him in the years to come) was gathered into the Kingdom wherein his good will would not only spare him Purgatorial punishments but also achieve much for the cause of Christ. And again, Scripture also discusses what God has written upon the hearts of all, and of what is to be said of those who abide by it, and of those who do not: "For there is no respect of persons with God. For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another, In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." (Romans 2:11-16)

        So what is to be said of yet others, scattered throughout all ages and times, and who, though of like disposition to Cornelius, were unable to be reached by a preacher? Different experts, speculating on this difficult question have debated over whether or how much of the basics of the Gospel the person must encounter to meet some arbitrary "bare minimum" necessary for salvation, or where exactly that "bare minimum" line is to be drawn. But wherever that may be (if indeed anywhere), I believe that God in His justice and in His desire that all would be saved, or at least all who will to be saved, provides to each such person who seeks Him, though in the worst of ignorance, whatever degree of Grace that He shall expect in return from them in faith and good works. For "unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more" (Luke 12:48). Would not the converse of this also be true, namely that of him to whom little is given, correspondingly little is required?

        Specifically of the pagan ancients who lived before the age of the Gospel and knew little or nothing of the Jєωs and of their Law, quite a number of the ancient Fathers weighed in, regarding their invincible ignorance, and how God allowed for some from among them all to be saved. This in many ways anticipates what Popes Pius IX and XII would much later on write about those burdened with invincible ignorance, which (within the age of the Gospel, the age of the Law of Baptism) would amount to an implicit Baptism of Desire. In the ages previous, I suppose it could be equally proper to speak of such as being with a "Circuмcision of Desire." For before there was the Law of Baptism there was the Law of Circuмcision, which in addition to admitting all exceptions to Circuмcision as the Law of Baptism excuses from the Sacrament of Baptism, also excused all females who, having nothing to "circuмcise," simply proved their adherence to the Law of Circuмcision by their faith and by their keeping of the Law as appropriate to their roles as wife and mother in Jєωιѕн society. So let us see what the Ancient Fathers had to say about the pagan ancients, and especially what few of them were of like disposition as Cornelius:

    Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho the Jєω (45): Since each person would be saved by his own virtue, I also stated that those who obeyed the Mosaic Law would likewise be saved. They who are obliged to obey the Law of Moses will find in it not only precepts which were occasioned by the hardness of your people's hearts, but also those which in themselves are good, holy, and just. Since they who did those things which are universally, naturally, and eternally good are pleasing to God, they shall be saved in the resurrection, together with their righteous forefathers, Noe, Henoch, Jacob, and others, together with those who believe in Christ, the Son of God.

    Justin Martyr, First Apology (1:46, 2:10): If some should accuse us as if we held that people born before the time of Christ were not accountable to God for their actions, we shall anticipate and answer such a difficulty. We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason (logos) were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus and other like them... So also, those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason. Whereas those who lived then, or who live now, according to reason are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid. ... Christ... was and is the Logos who is in everyone and foretold through the prophets the things that were to come, and taught these things in person after becoming like to us in feeling.

    Irenaeus, Against the Heresies (4:22,2; 4:28,2): Christ did not come only for those who lived at the time of the Emperor Tiberius, nor does the Father exercise his providence only for those who are living now. Rather, he has provided for all those who from the beginning have lived virtuously in their own generation and feared and loved God, and treated their neighbors with justice and kindness, and have longed to see Christ and to hear his voice. ... There is one and the same God the Father and his Logos, always assisting the human race, with varied arrangements, to be sure, and doing many things, and saving from the beginning those who are saved, for they are those who love and, according to their generation follow his Logos."

    Clement of Alexandria, Stromata (7:2): God has care of all, since he is the Lord of all. And he is the Savior of all; it cannot be said that he is the Savior of these, and not of others. As each one was disposed to receive it, God distributed his blessings, both to Greeks and to barbarians; and in their own time those were called who were predestined to be among the faithful elect.

    Origen, Against Celsus (4:7): Celsus asks: "How is it that after so many centuries it is only now that God has thought to bring men to live in righteously, and that previously he had had no concern about that?" I reply that there was never a time when God did not want men to be just; he was always concerned about that. Indeed, he always provided beings endowed with reason with the occasions for practicing virtue and doing what is right. In every generation the Wisdom of God descended into those souls which he found holy, and made them to be prophets and friends of God.

    John Chrysostom, Homily on John (8): When the pagans accuse us, saying: "What was Christ doing during all that former time, when he was not yet concerned for the human race? And why has he come at the last minute to provide for our salvation, after neglecting us for so long a time?" we will reply that even before his coming he was already in the world; he was already taking thought of the work he was to accomplish, and he was known to all who proved themselves worthy of such knowledge. You cannot say that at that time he was unknown, because he was not known by all, but only by the upright and virtuous, any more than you can say that today he is not being adored by men, on the grounds that even now not all have come to adore him.

    Hegemonius, Acts of Archelaus with Manes, 28: From the creation of the world He has always been with just men... Were they not made just from the fact that they kept the law, 'Each one of them showing the work of the law on their hearts... ?' For when someone who does not have the law does by nature the things of the law, this one, not having the law, is a law for himself... . For if we judge that a man is made just without the works of the law... how much more will they attain justice who fulfilled the law containing those things which are expedient for men?"

    Arnobius, Against the Nations 2.63: "But, they say :If Christ was sent by God for this purpose, to deliver unhappy souls from the destruction of ruin - what did former ages deserve which before His coming were consumed in the condition of mortality? ... Put aside thee cares, and leave the questions you do not understand; for royal mercy was imparted to them, and the divine benefits ran equally through all. They were conserved, they were liberated, and they put aside the sort and condition of mortality."

    St. Augustine, City of God 18.47: "Nor do I think the Jєωs would dare to argue that no one pertained to God except the Israelites, from the time that Israel came to be... they cannot deny that there were certain men even in other nations who pertained to the true Israelites, the citizens of the fatherland above, not by earthly but by heavenly association."

        There is something else worth noting here: The other pagan religions provided no special access to God or to the Logos or to forgiveness or to grace. "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils. You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of devils: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of devils" (1 Corinthians 10:20-21). In this vein Origen wrote "Since God wants grace to abound, He sees fit to be present... He is present not to the sacrifices of pagans, but to the one who comes to meet Him, and there He gives His word." (Homily on Numbers 16:1) The approach to Christ by ignorant pagans therefore was in all ages at best independent of whatever "religion" their pagan cultures held. For again, "Being therefore the offspring of God, we must not suppose the divinity to be like unto gold, or silver, or stone, the graving of art, and device of man. And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unto men, that all should everywhere do penance" (Acts 17:29-30). In the possibility of some ignorant pagans to have found salvation there is no merit whatsoever (indeed much cause for blame) in pointing said pagans to their pagan ministers, or of joining in "ecuмenical" prayer with these pagan ministers.

        The downside to all this is that such extraordinary graces could only have applied to the smallest minority of persons. Picture some ancient American Indian (whom I shall call "Takawathu"), of like disposition as Cornelius, but with no one to bring him the Gospel, might have attained salvation for himself (but still facing Purgatory upon his death, and furthermore having accomplished nothing for the Kingdom of God in this world), but if he gets to Heaven he gets there all alone. Unless there be among those he knew any such similarly noble personage, everyone he ever knew, his parents, his spouse, his children, his friends, his neighbors - none of them will be with him in Heaven. For in such an alien and hostile culture to the Gospel his worthy example counts for nothing, for the culture provides no basis for preferring righteousness to wrongdoing. If Takawathu decides to seek his Creator, to abide in all things with the Law written upon his heart, even at the expense of his own people's culture and customs, and suffers much for this, such that God ultimately admits him to Heaven, what is there in their society to hold up his example as something to be followed? If his fellow hunter (whom I shall call "Kahichiha") prefers instead to be guided by the tribal medicine men who teach him to violate the Law written on all hearts, what is there to show that Takawathu has done right and Kahichiha has done wrong? What is there in their culture to explain why one went to Heaven and the other did not? And though Takawathu has the grace to be forgiven his sins and even to see God, those good works he does that merit this grace he does in only his own strength, not God's, so it is only he and not Christ who has labored, and again nothing has been accomplished for the Kingdom of God.

        How valuable therefore is the missionary, the Apostle to his tribe, who baptizes such a "Takawathu," now freeing him from all Purgatorial sentence for his past sins, but also placing him at the service of the Kingdom of God that his works may be founded upon God, and thereby empowering him to save others with his fine example and by bringing them to be baptized by the missionary, so that many, perhaps even a whole village or even his whole Tribe might attain salvation, or at least all from among them who do not positively refuse the offer of Life now extended to them!

        Given the above quotes, one cannot deny the probability of there having been any number of such "Takawathu's" on the American continents from the dawn of humanity's entrance into the Americas clear until the Birth of the Church at Pentecost. But what of afterwards? Are we to believe that the Law of Baptism revokes the possibility of there being any further such "Takawathu's" for fully 1,450 years? Are we to believe that the God of the New Testament is cruel where the God of the Old was kind? Never can such a monstrous doctrine be rightly taught!

        Now, did these ancients (and Bible writers for that matter) who wrote the above quotes really and specifically understand that what they were talking about was an implicit Baptism (or Circuмcision) of Desire? I admit there is room to doubt it. This does not mean that they knew of, or believed in, some other additional category of salvation besides that of being baptized into the Church, but only that they trusted in the goodness and mercy of God to be all the perfections He says He is. As I mentioned above, Baptism of Desire may not have been well-known among the rank and file, but among the leaders it was known at least that God would treat any victim of such a misfortune with equity, justice, and mercy, whatever that treatment should actually consist of. The connection between the clear cut and explicit BOD of the catechumen whose life is accidently cut off before his legitimate chance at being baptized on the one hand, and of the more problematical implicit BOD of someone of like disposition as Cornelius, but whose life is similarly cut off before any legitimate chance to enter, or even hear from, the Church, may be at most only vaguely hinted at if at all, but it certainly was never repudiated by anyone.

        Even explicit BOD received much more mention than the Treatise gives credit for. In the Treatise, only Ambrose and Augustine are cited as having even said anything that could even be construed as being favorable to BOD. Even these ancient Fathers (and Doctors) of the Church are rather ill-used within the pages of the Treatise. Starting with Ambrose:

    St. Ambrose, Funeral Oration of Valentinian, 4th century: But I hear that you grieve because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism. Tell me: What else is in your power other than the desire, the request? But he even had this desire for a long time, that, when he should come into Italy, he would be initiated, and recently he signified a desire to be baptized by me, and for this reason above all others he thought that I ought to be summoned. Has he not, then, the grace which he desired; has he not the grace which he requested? And because he asked, he received, and therefore is it said: "By whatsoever death the just man shall be overtaken, his soul shall be at rest." (Wisdom 4:7)

        Grant, therefore, O holy Father, to thy servant the gift which Moses received, because he saw in spirit; the gift which David merited, because he knew from revelation. Grant, I pray, to Thy servant Valentinian the gift which he longed for, the gift which he requested while in health, vigor, and security. If, stricken with sickness, he had deferred it, he would not be entirely without Thy mercy who has been cheated by the swiftness of time, not by his own wish. Grant, therefore, to Thy servant the gift of Thy grace which he never rejected, who on the day before his death refused to restore the privileges of the temples although he was pressed by those whom he could well have feared. A crowd of pagans was present, the Senate entreated, but he was not afraid to displease men so long as he pleased Thee alone in Christ. He who had Thy Spirit, how has he not received Thy grace? Or if the fact disturbs you that the mysteries have not been solemnly celebrated, then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated. But if they are washed in their own blood, his piety and his desire have washed him, also.

        Although the Treatise deals with St. Ambrose after dealing with St. Augustine, St. Ambrose actually preceded St. Augustine, and furthermore was the one who baptized him. This (or rather some small parts of this) is the oldest quote the Treatise admits to being favorable to BOD, but even here the treatment is dishonest. It actually misquotes a small portion near the end of that quote to read, "then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated." So, as the Treatise would put words into the mouth of St. Ambrose, "not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens." Was St. Ambrose actually here denying Baptism of Blood? That is what Peter Dimond (and others like him) would actually have you believe! What else could they have meant when the Treatise states:

    Furthermore, St. Ambrose's funeral speech for Valentinian is extremely ambiguous, as is obvious to anyone who reads the above. In the speech, St. Ambrose clearly says that "martyrs are not crowned [that is, not saved] if they are catechumens," a statement which directly denies the idea of baptism of blood and is perfectly consistent with other statements on the issue, which will be quoted. Ambrose then emphasizes the same point, by stating again that catechumens 'are not crowned if they are uninitiated.'"

        And what "other quotes" are presented in a vain attempt to attribute a denial of such basic Catholic doctrines as BOB and BOD to the sainted Father and Doctor of the Church, Ambrose? Let us look again at the three quotes given in the Treatise, but I give them here as fully presented in the Fr. Jurgens text, with those parts underlined which the Treatise did not include:

    St. Ambrose, De Mysteriis, 390-391 A.D.: You have read, therefore, that the three witnesses in Baptism are one: water, blood, and the Spirit: and if you withdraw any one of these, the Sacrament of Baptism is not valid. For what is water without the cross of Christ? A common element with no sacramental effect. Nor on the other hand is there any mystery of regeneration without water: for "unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Even a catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, by which also he is signed; but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, he cannot receive the remission of sins nor be recipient of the gift of spiritual grace.
    St. Ambrose, De Abraham Libri Duo, 387 A.D. (but wrongly attributed to "The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D." in the Treatise): The Church was redeemed at the price of Christ's blood. Jєω or Greek, it makes no difference; but if he has believed, he must circuмcise himself from his sins so that he can be saved; ... for no one ascends into the kingdom of heaven except through the Sacrament of Baptism.

    St. Ambrose, De Abraham Libri Duo, 387 A.D. (again wrongly attributed to "The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D." in the Treatise): "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." No one is excepted: not the infant, not the one prevented by some necessity. They may, however, have an undisclosed exemption from punishments; but I do not know whether they can have the honor of the kingdom.

        As we saw before with these quotes, the first of these admits that the catechumen is "signed," which speaks of baptism, though while yet a catechumen the "baptism" can only be one of Desire or Blood, should he die such. The other two quotes come close together in the same work, and that last sentence which, though present in the Fr. Jurgens volume, goes unquoted in the Treatise shows that Ambrose was here only giving the general case and not (as yet, in the year 387) addressing what possibilities there would be for certain rare exceptions there would be to those general principles he was discussing in his books on Abraham. The footnote in Jurgens to that last sentence reads, "The present sentence makes it clear that when St. Ambrose says in the preceding "no one is excepted," he means that the Scriptural utterance expresses no exception; he does not know whether or not some logical exception, e. g., state of infancy or actual impossibility or non-culpable ignorance, may have been presumed and left unexpressed." And again, as had been explained before, the reference to a "necessity" here is not the circuмstance of a sudden and unexpected death, but that the person has put other things as more important, that he sees as more important "necessities" than the kingdom of God. And these little useless misquotes represent the sum total of all that the pro-Feeney position apologists have ever been able to put forward from the writings of St. Ambrose to "support" their unholy cause.

        Which brings us back to what Ambrose was talking about here when discussing the particular case of Emperor Valentinian, and explaining his situation to a crowd many of whom may have never faced this situation, and may not have been instructed in this particular nook or cranny of the Faith. Looking at the quote in full, and overall, it should be obvious what is going on. He is plainly putting forth a hypothetical position to show the absurd conclusions one would reach. When he says, "Or if the fact disturbs you that the mysteries have not been solemnly celebrated [such that Valentinian might be damned], then you should realize that not even martyrs are crowned if they are catechumens, for they are not crowned if they are not initiated," it is plainly like this: "If you have trouble believing that Valentinian has attained eternal life despite his not being baptized in water, then you might as well claim that the martyrs who were not baptized, but only catechumens, wouldn't be saved, though of course as we all know they in fact are saved." Or it would be like saying "if you could change the Mass then you could also have priestesses." St. Ambrose's statement is no more a condemnation of BOB than the previous sentence stating that priestesses are OK. One is not actually contending that the second claim is true, only that the first must be false since the first false one being "true" would imply that the second false and patently absurd one would also be "true." His audience was not sure what to make of the situation of the man who sacrificed much for God and was plainly seeking to be baptized into the Church, and whom death had indeed overtaken prematurely, and his response is that if Valentinian were to be damned, then so would the holy (but unbaptized) martyrs, which his audience knew to be absurd.

        If the unbaptized martyrs are saved by their baptism of blood (which they already knew to be true), then so Valentinian's piety has similarly washed him as well (explicit baptism of desire). Even the context itself readily gives away the truth of this short passage, which starts with "if," as in "if you feel that Valentinian must be doomed for not having been baptized in water," only "then would you have to believe that martyrs are also doomed if they happen to be unbaptized catechumens." He is not denying BOB, let alone BOD, but instead basing his explanation of BOD to the crowd on the basis of BOB. For the existence of one implies the existence of the other. If there is BOB, then there must also be BOD, and conversely, if (per impossible) there were to be no BOD, then neither could there be BOB. His true position is that with which he sums up: "But if they are washed in their own blood, his piety and his desire have washed him, also."

        Of this true position, the Treatise can only say the following:

    He then proceeds to say that if they are washed in their own blood, his (Valentinian's) piety and desire have washed him also, which seems to directly contradict what he just said and seems to teach baptism of desire and blood, although it is not clear, since he did not say that Valentinian was saved without baptism. But if that is what St. Ambrose means, then his funeral speech is nonsensical, since he just clearly denied two times that martyrs can be crowned if they are catechumens. And this is the oldest "text" quoted in favor of the idea of baptism of desire! It is, first of all, contradictory; secondly, it is ambiguous; and thirdly, if interpreted to mean that a catechumen is saved without water baptism, is opposed to every other statement St. Ambrose made on the issue.

        So now we are supposed to suppose that poor St. Ambrose could not make up his own mind as to what he believed or taught, or could not express himself clearly. Like he were unsteady of mind, or talking out of both sides of his mouth, and this is one the Church considers both Father and Doctor! Other such writers who deny BOD have actually accused of St. Ambrose of pandering to the crowd by inventing a new doctrine on the spot just to give them a false consolation. But of course St. Ambrose is not changing his mind mid-speech, he is not halting on two different opinions, and neither is he inventing some new doctrine just to please a crowd. In fact he is expressing himself quite clearly and succinctly, and in full accord with already established doctrine. He contradicts nothing but the pet error/heresy of those who deny BOB and/or BOD, is in no way ambiguous, and finally there is no such "other statement" of his opposed to BOB and BOD.

        The only other thing done in the Treatise is to focus on a bit at the beginning of the quote in which St. Ambrose states that Valentinian "did not receive the sacrament of baptism," and in particular how this particular passage is quoted by Fr. Laisney. I gave the quote above in full exactly as given in Fr. Rulleau's book on pages 30-31, but as given by Fr. Laisney in his book "Is Feeneyism Catholic?" page 61 it says "had not received the sacraments of Baptism." Obviously, if the plural was used, all it meant was that neither Baptism itself, nor any other sacrament, was received by Valentinian, who therefore not only did not swim in the waters of regeneration, but also did not eat of the Flesh of Christ nor drink His Blood, and neither was he sacramentally absolved by a priest nor did he receive the Last Rites. The plural here changes nothing. But in the Treatise it is suggested that perhaps only some other sacraments are referred to, or even to how "solemnly" they had been administered. The Treatise then cites Peter Abélard as accusing St. Ambrose, that he "contradicts tradition in this matter," not clarifying that Abélard was the one contradicting tradition, as St. Bernard demonstrated, and there is no evidence that the Church ever followed Abélard in this; instead Abélard's position was roundly criticized by the Church from the get-go.

        And that is all to be said for Saint Ambrose. But is this quote of Ambrose's really the first to support Baptism of Desire? That is what the Treatise would have one believe, but in fact there are older quotes (not even counting those that pertain to an implicit Baptism of Desire as given above). In one of the quotes from Tertullian in the previous installment, he was discussing the question of whether the original 12 Apostles had been baptized. He believed that they had been baptized at some undocuмented point of time, given such Scriptural hints as "He that is washed, needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean wholly" (John 13:10) and others similar (but less obvious). However, even in the unlikely case that they had not been baptized in water, he still believed their faith alone would nevertheless have saved them:

    Tertullian, On Baptism, Chapter XII - Of the Necessity of Baptism to Salvation (126-135): Now, whether they [the Apostles] were baptized in any manner whatever, or whether they continued unbathed to the end - so that even that saying of the Lord touching the "one bath" does, under the person of Peter, merely regard us - still, to determine concerning the salvation of the apostles is audacious enough, because on them the prerogative even of first choice, and thereafter of undivided intimacy, might be able to confer the compendious grace of baptism, seeing they (I think) followed Him who was wont to promise salvation to every believer. "Thy faith," He would say, "hath saved thee;" and, "Thy sins shall be remitted thee," on thy believing, of course, albeit thou be not yet baptized. If that was wanting to the apostles, I know not in the faith of what things it was, that, roused by one word of the Lord, one left the toll-booth behind for ever; another deserted father and ship, and the craft by which he gained his living; a third, who disdained his father's obsequies, fulfilled, before he heard it, that highest precept of the Lord, "He who prefers father or mother to me, is not worthy of me."

        A much clearer reference to Baptism of Desire occurs in St. Cyprian's writing to Jubaianus. Much is made, merely to discredit St. Cyprian who says certain inconvenient things, of the fact that St. Cyprian did not believe that the baptisms performed by heretics in the name of their rival religions could be valid. Given how significantly different the heretics of his day interpreted such basic and central concepts of the Faith as the Father (Whom some regarded as the "Evil Creator" of crude matter that the Serpent, the purely spiritual "good guy" in their diabology, had come to overthrow), the Son (Whom others regarded as some lesser god, or angel or even as only a man, or else to be the "demiurge") and the Holy Ghost (Who went often ignored or else similarly misrepresented among the heretics), a great many of their baptisms were indeed not valid. For similar reasons, Mormon baptisms, though similarly using water and the correct Scriptural formula, have also never been recognized by the Church as being valid, since their "baptism" is in the names (as they see it, and as they mean in reciting the formula) of three out of however many gods in a Polytheistic universe. And of course yet other heretical groups did not even use the correct formula anyway, or else didn't use water, and so forth. And yet still others didn't even bother with the fiction of a "baptism" at all.

        St. Cyprian therefore saw those with heretical baptisms as being no more baptized than Mormons, and yet viewing things this way he wrote:

    Cyprian, To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics (23): But some one says, "What, then, shall become of those who in past times, coming from heresy to the Church, were received without baptism? "The Lord is able by His mercy to give indulgence, and not to separate from the gifts of His Church those who by simplicity were admitted into the Church, and in the Church have fallen asleep. Nevertheless it does not follow that, because there was error at one time, there must always be error; since it is more fitting for wise and God-fearing men, gladly and without delay to obey the truth when laid open and perceived, than pertinaciously and obstinately to struggle against brethren and fellow-priests on behalf of heretics.

        Cyprian therefore saw those coming from the ranks of the heretics, whether baptized (?) by them or not, as being unbaptized. And here he had to recognize that the Church had been accepting certain ones who had been baptized by heretics into the Church without rebaptizing them. In this he was recognizing his position to be out of step with the then (and now) prevailing practice of the Church. This only shows one more reason as to how we can know that St. Cyprian cannot be quoted as a basis to go rebaptizing those who were already baptized by some schismatic or heretical sect, providing of course their baptism correctly followed the rules of form, matter, intent, and minister. Nevertheless this does not make him a heretic, nor does it remove him from the Fathers, and least of all does it discredit him as a reliable historical source as to what the Church believed and practiced in his day. For though he had his own distinctive position on something, he nevertheless acknowledged the Church's position as well. He saw those coming from having been baptized only in some heretical sect as being exactly as the Church would see anyone coming from a background of having been baptized only into the Mormon church. And if, out of laxity or whatever, some such Mormon were to be admitted to the Church without being rebaptized (and who would therefore really not be baptized at all, having no mark of the Sacrament on his soul), he is here stating the commonly accepted position that such a one, not being baptized through no fault of his own, would still be a recipient of the mercy of God. For when he speaks of the Lord's mercy, he alludes to several Scriptural passages: "Go then and learn what this meaneth, 'I will have mercy and not sacrifice.' For I am not come to call the just, but sinners" (Matthew 9:13); "And if you knew what this meaneth: 'I will have mercy, and not sacrifice' you would never have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7) and "For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment" (James 2:13).

        So what of this error of St. Cyprian's which those who wish to discredit him attempt to use? Let us look briefly at his own description of why he thought what he did, and then also how it was commented on later:

    Cyprian, To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics (25): And now by certain of us the baptism of heretics is asserted to occupy the (like) ground, and, as if by a certain dislike of re-baptizing, it is counted unlawful to baptize after God's enemies. And this, although we find that they were baptized whom John had baptized: John, esteemed the greatest among the prophets; John, filled with divine grace even in his mother's womb; who was sustained with the spirit and power of Elias; who was not an adversary of the Lord, but His precursor and announcer; who not only foretold our Lord in words, but even showed Him to the eyes; who baptized Christ Himself by whom others are baptized. But if on that account a heretic could obtain the right of baptism, because he first baptized, then baptism will not belong to the person that has it, but to the person that seizes it. And since baptism and the Church can by no means be separated from one another, and divided, he who has first been able to lay hold on baptism has equally also laid hold on the Church; and you begin to appear to him as a heretic, when you being anticipated, have begun to be last, and by yielding and giving way have relinquished the right which you had received. But how dangerous it is in divine matters, that any one should depart from his right and power, Holy Scripture declares when, in Genesis, Esau thence lost his birthright, nor was able afterwards to regain that which he had once given up.

        So, in his eyes, if even those with John the Baptist's baptism had to be rebaptized, how much more those with only some baptism of some heretic! One has to bear in mind that this was in no way a settled issue at his time. The only guiding principle St. Cyprian had to go by was the wide precedent of the actual practice of the Church, which he was bound to recognize, even as he recommended the abolition of the practice. In addition, he consulted some 80 fellow bishops of the Church in this matter and obtained their universal consent and agreement. In that he differed from the Donatists who claimed to base their false idea on his writings, but where his mistake was an honest one, theirs was dishonest, heretical, and even schismatic. St. Augustine writes of this episode:

    St. Augustine, On Baptism, Book 1, Chapter 18, 28: There are great proofs of this existing on the part of the blessed martyr Cyprian, in his letters, - to come at last to him of whose authority they carnally flatter themselves they are possessed, whilst by his love they are spiritually overthrown. For at that time, before the consent of the whole Church had declared authoritatively, by the decree of a plenary Council, what practice should be followed in this matter, it seemed to him, in common with about eighty of his fellow bishops of the African churches, that every man who had been baptized outside the communion of the Catholic Church should, on joining the Church, be baptized anew. And I take it, that the reason why the Lord did not reveal the error in this to a man of such eminence, was, that his pious humility and charity in guarding the peace and health of the Church might be made manifest, and might be noticed, so as to serve as an example of healing power, so to speak, not only to Christians of that age, but also to those who should come after. For when a bishop of so important a Church, himself a man of so great merit and virtue, endowed with such excellence of heart and power of eloquence, entertained an opinion about baptism different from that which was to be confirmed by a more diligent searching into the truth; though many of his colleagues held what was not yet made manifest by authority, but was sanctioned by the past custom of the Church, and afterwards embraced by the whole Catholic world; yet under these circuмstances he did not sever himself, by refusal of communion, from the others who thought differently, and indeed never ceased to urge on the others that they should "forbear one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." For so, while the framework of the body remained whole, if any infirmity occurred in certain of its members, it might rather regain its health from their general soundness, than be deprived of the chance of any healing care by their death in severance from the body. And if he had severed himself, how many were there to follow! what a name was he likely to make for himself among men! how much more widely would the name of Cyprianist have spread than that of Donatist! But he was not a son of perdition, one of those of whom it is said, "Thou castedst them down while they were elevated;" but he was the son of the peace of the Church, who in the clear illumination of his mind failed to see one thing, only that through him another thing might be more excellently seen. "And yet," says the apostle, "show I unto you a more excellent way: though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." He had therefore imperfect insight into the hidden mystery of the sacrament. But if he had known the mysteries of all sacraments, without having charity, it would have been nothing. But as he, with imperfect insight into the mystery, was careful to preserve charity with all courage and humility and faith, he deserved to come to the crown of martyrdom; so that, if any cloud had crept over the clearness of his intellect from his infirmity as man, it might be dispelled by the glorious brightness of his blood. For it was not in vain that our Lord Jesus Christ, when He declared Himself to be the vine, and His disciples, as it were, the branches in the vine, gave command that those which bare no fruit should be cut off, and removed from the vine as useless branches. But what is really fruit, save that new offspring, of which He further says, "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another?" This is that very charity, without which the rest profiteth nothing. The apostle also says: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance;" which all begin with charity, and with the rest of the combination forms one unity in a kind of wondrous cluster. Nor is it again in vain that our Lord added, "And every branch that beareth fruit, my Father purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit," but because those who are strong in the fruit of charity may yet have something which requires purging, which the Husbandman will not leave untended. Whilst then, that holy man entertained on the subject of baptism an opinion at variance with the true view, which was afterwards thoroughly examined and confirmed after most diligent consideration, his error was compensated by his remaining in Catholic unity, and by the abundance of his charity; and finally it was cleared away by the pruning-hook of martyrdom.

        And again one should note that St. Cyprian's real mistake was subsequently addressed by other fathers quite directly. But if his belief that God could be merciful in cases where a soul failed to be baptized through no fault of their own were also to be listed as being yet another error of his, why is there no comparable response to that supposed mistake? In particular, why does no subsequent Father write of St. Cyprian's opinion that those unbaptized through no fault of their own could be shown God's mercy, explaining why and how he was wrong, as St. Augustine does here above in the first case wherein he really was wrong?

        Yet there is more. Even as Tertullian had so clearly described Baptism of Blood in the chapter on that quoted in full in the previous installment, another ancient writer, a contemporary of St. Cyprian, described Baptism of Desire in similarly clear detail:

    A Treatise on Re-Baptism by an Anonymous Writer (15), attributed to Bishop Ursinus and composed about 256 A. D.: And since we seem to have divided all spiritual baptism in a threefold manner, let us come also to the proof of the statement proposed, that we may not appear to have done this of our own judgment, and with rashness. For John says of our Lord in his epistle, teaching us: "This is He who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood: and it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For three bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one;" - that we may gather from these words both that water is wont to confer the Spirit, and that men's own blood is wont to confer the Spirit, and that the Spirit Himself also is wont to confer the Spirit. For since water is poured forth even as blood, the Spirit also was poured out by the Lord upon all who believed. Assuredly both in water, and none the less in their own blood, and then especially in the Holy Spirit, men may be baptized. For Peter says: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet; It shall come to pass in the last days, saith the Lord, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh: and their sons and their daughters shall prophesy, and their young men shall see visions, and their old men shall dream dreams: and upon my servants, and upon my handmaidens, will I pour out of my Spirit;" - which Spirit we discover to have been communicated in the Old Testament, not indeed everywhere nor at large, but with other gifts; or, moreover, to have sprung of His own will into certain men, or to have invested them, or to have been upon them, even as we observe that it was said by the Lord to Moses, about the seventy elders, "And I will take of the Spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them." For which reason also, according to His promise, God put upon them from another of the Spirit which had been upon Moses, and they prophesied in the camp. And Moses, as a spiritual man, rejoiced that this had so happened, although he was unwillingly persuaded by Jesus the son of Nave to oppose this thing, and was not thereby induced. Further, also in the book of Judges, and in the books of Kings too, we observe that upon several, there either was the Spirit of the Lord, or that He came unto them, as upon Othoniel, Gideon, Jephthah, Samson, Saul, David, and many others. Which comes to this result, that the Lord has taught us most plainly by them the liberty and power of the Holy Spirit, approaching of His own will, saying, "The Spirit breathes where He will; and thou hearest His voice, and knowest not whence He cometh or whither He goeth." So that the same Spirit is, moreover, sometimes found to be upon those who are unworthy of Him; not certainly in vain or without reason, but for the sake of some needful operation; as He was upon Saul, upon whom came the Spirit of God, and he prophesied. However, in later days, after the Spirit of the Lord departed from him, and after a malign spirit from the Lord vexed him, because then he had come, after the messengers whom he had previously sent before with care, with intent to kill David; and they therefore fell into the chorus of the prophets, and they prophesied, so that they neither were able nor willing to do what they had been bidden. And we believe that the Spirit which was upon them all effected this with an admirable wisdom, by the will of God. Which Spirit also filled John the Baptist even from his mother's womb; and it fell upon those who were with Cornelius the centurion before they were baptized with water. Thus, cleaving to the baptism of men, the Holy Spirit either goes before or follows it; or failing the baptism of water, it falls upon those who believe. We are counseled that either we ought duly to maintain the integrity of baptism, or if by chance baptism is given by any one in the name of Jesus Christ, we ought to supplement it, guarding the most holy invocation of the name of Jesus Christ, as we have most abundantly set forth; guarding, moreover, the custom and authority which so much claim our veneration for so long a time and for such great men.

        I have no doubt that someone might wish to post the objection that this passage is "only" some anonymous quote. In that same category however one would have to put the Didache, and for that matter even the Apostle's Creed! Even the Biblical book of Hebrews, though sometimes attributed to Saint Paul, shows some signs of quite possibly having been written by someone else, and after Paul's own death. This "Treatise on Re-Baptism by an Anonymous Writer" has always been included among the collected works of the ancient Fathers. This same passage was also cited by Msgr. Joseph Pohle (one of Fr. Anthony Cekada's "25 theologians") in his book "The Sacraments - a Dogmatic Treatise," on page 245.

        I think we should by now be able to see that, between the quotes regarding those who lived in ignorance, and the above several writers who also believed in the possibility of those being saved who, through no fault of their own, failed to attain the baptism of water before they died, whether they died as martyrs or not, that the establishment of the Church teachings of Baptism of Blood and Desire were in no way in any doubt by the time Sts. Ambrose and Augustine came on the scene. Of all the ancient fathers it seems to me that St. Augustine has been by far the most criminally misrepresented by heretics of many stripes. For this reason it is
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    There are many commentaries on the dogma, Extra Ecciesia
    Nulla Salus, to be found in theological writings, but very little of this
    writing is accurate, as has been indicated already. One of the few
    books currently available which defends the proper understanding of
    the dogma is called Gate of Heaven, written by Sister Catherine,
    M.I.C.M. It has been circulated by St. Benedict Center since its publication.
    This book has as its main purpose to establish that the Church
    means the dogma just as it states it, outside the Church there is no
    salvation. And the author achieves her purpose admirably.'
    What is needed, besides this book, we judge, is an effort to
    explain why this doctrine is true, or, more correctly, why every objection
    to it is completely untenable. It is our hope so to present our
    thesis, that the reader will see for himself what an error and what a
    heresy is every mitigation and derogation of this holy doctrine, and
    that even its slightest dilution is nothing but another unsubtie denial
    of it.
    Our purpose is not apologetic in the main, we must insist; much
    more than that. It is an effort, within our limitations, to expose how
    this holy doctrine, when it is seen as an essential implication of the
    Deposit of Faith and all its doctrinal parts, is wonderfully illuminative
    and fortifying. Once one makes this application, one truly passes from
    outside to inside the Faith, so to speak, with the result that one realizes
    how essential to one's personal faith the proper understanding of
    the doctrine is, and how there can be no orthodoxy without it.
    In truth, Catholics who do not accept this sacred doctrine do not
    know their religion, even if they be priests. Ironically, those who
    claim to be maintaining the traditional Catholic Faith (whom we refer
    to here as Traditionalists, for want of a better word), insisting the
    while that their stand is necessary for the sake of salvation, do so on
    the basis of this doctrine, even if they do not realize it. Yes, of course,
    they say that they believe it. But we emphasize once again, they do
    not unless they accept it absolutely. Their only argument for their
    "Traditionalism" is this doctrine in its absolute and uncompromising
    affirmation. If they qualify it in any way, their whole position
    becomes inconsistent to the point of being self-contradictory.
    But when one accepts this mystery, and determines that one's
    approach to the Faith as a whole must be in accord with it, then one's
    understanding enjoys wonderful enlightenment, and one's personal
    faith becomes something truly substantial and formidable, vital, and
    even thrilling. It is only when one accepts the fact that this doctrine
    admits of no attenuations that one begins to understand God Himself,
    the Church, the terrible importance of one's life on earth-indeed, the
    preciousness of every moment-and the Doctrine of the Last Things.
    Those who are minded to call us "extremists" and "rigorists"-
    and heretics-have yet to recognize that God Himself is an extremist,
    and must be, because He can give His honor to no other but Himself.
    Not only that, He is a God of extreme justice. In this Liberal age, men
    have heard much of God's mercy, but that of which they have been
    taught is not divine mercy at all; it is, instead, nothing but human sentimentality
    ascribed to God, a grave distortion of His mercifulness,
    and a ruse of Satan.
    We beg the reader, therefore, no matter how hostile he may be to
    our thesis, not to turn away, convinced that he has read enough. We
    can promise him that the realization of the truth of this doctrine will
    awaken in him an appreciation of his Faith, of the seriousness of his
    earthly life, and an understanding of the Church, which he has never
    had before. What is more, it will revive in him a spiritual fear which
    he will perceive as salutary and nothing premature.

    So integrally is this doctrine woven into the fabric of the Faith
    that, by sardonic irony, it is the implicit basis whereby the Conciliar
    Establishment has achieved its hold over its ensnared captives and
    keeps them in line. It does this while it promotes general apostasy,
    especially that falsity which maintains that those outside the Church
    can and will be saved. Moreover, those who refuse to yield up their
    Faith are treated as being out of the Church, and threatened with the
    censures of the Church, which, let it be noticed, are nothing else but
    the legal application of this holy doctrine.
    To add to the irony, these outcasts (Traditionalists) generally do
    not accept this doctrine absolutely (which, as we keep saying, is the
    only way it can logically be accepted), and reprehend the Conciliarists
    on the basis of this very doctrine, invoke the prescriptions of the Code
    of Canon Law, whose authority would be nil without it, to justify their
    resistance. For, the simple matter of the entire case is that, were this
    not the doctrine of The Church, there would be no reason to belong to
    it, and nothing of consequence to which to belong. Either all must
    belong to the true Church for salvation, or nobody needs to. And did
    not the Church always teach this doctrine, the Church could never
    have grown so formidable and so authoritarian, nor would it have
    come to be so profoundly, so furiously, and so universally, resented,
    resisted, and persecuted.
    A further most important point is that the denial of the Doctrine
    of Exclusive Salvation is a modern heresy; that is to say, it grows out
    of the modern apostasy and is advanced fervidly by the agents of the
    Great Revolution. This is not to suggest that this denial is confined to
    the Twentieth century, for all the errors of Liberalism, naturalism,
    atheism, etc., have been basic to the Zeitgeist of Europe and America
    since the "Enlightenment" of the Seventeenth century, and the
    Rationalism and Radicalism of the centuries that followed. We are
    witnessing and suffering today the great climax and full burgeoning
    of the great Western Revolt against God and His Institution, of which
    the Protestant Revolt was the first eruption, and for which that
    outbreak opened the way. Those, therefore, who think of themselves
    as conservatives and Traditionalists need to wake up and discover the
    foundational doctrine of their own philosophical and theological position.
    Nor could the heresy of its denial have found a more indigenous
    environment in any age before our own, for the simple reason that it is
    contrary to the whole idea of a religion which promises heavenly
    salvation to its adherents to allow any exceptions. The ancient
    heresies, those which flourished in the early centuries of the Church,
    were false interpretations of dogmas, but none of them conceived of
    salvation as being attainable outside the Church. (For example, once
    the Christological heresies of the Third and Fourth centuries were
    delineated and condemned, and their authors properly labelled, their
    heresies were, to all intents and purposes, dead and harmless.) The
    climate for such an error must be one of Naturalism, which, implicitly
    or explicitly, attributes an innate goodness or worthiness to man.
    Coupled with this is the Pelagian error that man can therefore do
    something to merit grace, to render himself pleasing to God by his
    own power. In other words, he can in some way perform supernatural
    works; or, more accurately, without supernatural works, he is worthy
    of Heaven just as he is. No, his worthiness is no longer the issue. It is
    simply that God loves this wretch so much that He cannot resist
    rewarding him.
    When we say that Extra Ecciesiam Nulla Salus is a defined
    doctrine, we mean that it is true. It is not made true by the Church's
    definition; it is true by the ordination of God Himself. It cannot be
    made untrue, or less true. But he who does not believe it is himself
    untrue. It will do no one any good to contest this truth, to seek to disprove
    it. If a person refers to others to prove a non-fact's truth, he
    only shows that he to whom he refers is also untrue and unbelievingand
    unreliable. If he produces a veritable army of gainsayers, if he
    gathers the masses of the world to shout and scream their dislike for
    it, that they do not want it to be true, that they refuse to accept it as
    true, he has done nothing except show that those whom he has
    gathered are themselves untrue.
    The reader may be tempted to say, what you are saying is neither
    profound nor wonderful; you are belaboring the obvious. We could
    not agree more. But we must make this point because those who resist
    this glorious doctrine are incapable of disproving it through sound
    logic. They are forced by the very nature of the case to draw their
    arguments from two sources; they have no other. The first is the testimony
    of mere human beings. The second is their personal sentiment.
    No matter how elaborate and impressive their argumentation, it
    reduces to these two. To make the matter simpler still, we will find
    that the arguments of those whose testimony is quoted is drawn from
    their sentiments, their way of looking at the matter. Human sentiment
    reasons that an error or illusion is true because we wish it to be true,
    because the real truth seems too unpleasant or too arbitrary to endure.

    Something is not true because we do not wish it to be so. It is through
    the appeal to human feelings that Liberal and conspiratorial propagandists
    are tearing the world apart.
    Human sentiment refuses to accept reality, whether it be supernatural
    or natural. It refuses to accept the conclusions of reason, the
    words of God, the teachings of the Church, or to believe its own eyes.
    It seeks to evade the obsolescenses of the past, the inescapable
    imperatives of the present, and the inexorableness of the future. To
    some extent the history of Catholic dogma has been nothing else but
    the elucidation of insurmountable and invincible truth God has
    revealed against what this or that heretic has convinced his followers
    is a more palatable alternative, a preferable way of dealing with
    reality. The infallibility of the Church is nothing else than the inflexible
    proclamation of divine truth and command to the face of human
    willfulness.
    Because the doctrine here discussed goes so gratingly against the
    conceits of this "perverse and exasperating generation" (Ps. 77:8).,
    those who are determined that they will be Catholic at any cost, with a
    view to exercising the integral Faith of the Apostles, the great Fathers
    and Doctors, and the saints, who learned it from them, are urged to
    prepare their souls for a new religious orientation. This holy doctrine
    will enlighten them to dimensions of their religion which they have
    been deprived of. We beg them not to approach the subject with fear
    or hostility, nor with vain concerns about their relatives and friends,
    deceased or living. On the one hand, for all their dismay or diffidence,
    they will not alter the diamond hardness of the truths we here seek to
    exposit. If, on the other hand, they place themselves humbly beneath
    the rays of the Spirit of Divine Truth, under the patronage of our
    Mother, Mary, the Seat of Wisdom, they will be pleased at how quickly
    the incontrovertibleness of these sacred verities will be shown
    them.
    We insist that any denial of this dogma-and to qualify it is to
    deny it-is a Liberal postulate, not a Protestant one. The founders of
    Protestantism, the so-called "Reformers," taught this doctrine as uncompromisingly
    as the Catholic Church had always done. They taught
    that there was no salvation outside the Church; their contention was
    that the clergy had led the Catholic multitudes outside the true Church
    of Christ; the church they were "reforming" was the true church. As
    evidence, we offer the following quotation, which could be one
    among many:
    "We shall add one testimony more, which Is particularly
    strong; It is of Dr. Pearson, a bishop of the Church of England,
    In his exposition of the Creed, edit. 1669, where he says, 'The
    necessity of believing the Catholic [that is, Anglican] Church
    appeared, first, In this, that Christ hath appointed it as the
    only way to eternal life. We read at the first, Acts II. 47, "That
    the Lord added to the Church daily such as should be saved;"
    and what was then daily done hath been done since continually.
    Christ never appointed two ways to heaven; nor did he
    build a Church to save some, and make another Institution for
    other men's salvation (Acts iv. 12): "There Is no other name
    under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved,
    but the name of Jesus;" and that name Is not otherwise given
    under heaven than in the Church. As none were saved from
    the deluge but such as were within the ark of Noah, framed for
    their reception by the command of God; as none of the firstborn
    of Egypt lived but such as were within those habitations
    whose doorposts were sprinkled with blood, by the appointment
    of God, for their preservation; as none of the inhabitants
    of Jericho could escape the fire or sword, but such as were
    within the house of Rahab, for whose protection a covenant
    was made;-so NONE shall ever escape the eternal wrath of
    God who belong not to the Church of God.' Behold how far the
    force of truth prevailed among the most eminent members of
    the Reformation before latitudinarian principles had crept in
    among them.
    'It is true, indeed, that, though the founders of these
    (Protestant) churches, convinced by the repeated and evident
    testimonies of the Word of God, professed this truth, and inserted
    lt in the public standards of their religion, yet their
    posterity now disclaim it, and accuse the Catholic Church of
    being uncharitable for holding it; but this only shows their inconsistency,
    and proves that they are devoid of all certainty in
    what they believe; for if it was a divine truth, when those
    religions were founded, that out of the true Church, and without
    the Catholic faith, there is no salvation, it must be so still;
    and if their first founders were mistaken on this point, what
    security can their followers now have for any other thing they
    taught? But the Catholic Church, always consistent and
    uniform in her doctrine, always preserving the words once put
    in her mouth by her Divine Master, at all times and In all ages
    has believed and taught the same doctrine as a truth revealed
    by God, that 'out of the true Church of Christ, and without his
    true faith, there is no possibility of salvation;' and the most
    authentic public testimony of her enemies proves that this Is
    the doctrine of Jesus and of his holy Gospel, whatever private
    persons from selfish and interested motives, may say to the
    contrary. 'What a reproach must this be before the judgmentseat
    of God to those members of the Church of Christ who call
    in question or seek to Invalidate this great and fundamental
    truth, the very fence and barrier of the true religion: which is
    so repeatedly declared by God in his Holy Scripture, professed
    by the Church of Christ in all ages, attested in the strongest
    terms by the most eminent lights of Christianity, and candidly
    acknowledged by the most celebrated writers and divines of
    the Reformation! Will not every attempt to weaken the importance
    of this divine truth be considered by the great God as
    betraying his cause and the interests of his holy faith? and
    will those who do so be able to plead even their favorite irwincible
    ignorance in their own defence before him?"
    It is important that the reader come to realize that the first effect
    of Liberalism on the mind is subjectivism, the inclination to judge all
    questions in terms of oneself. Liberalism teaches men that they themselves
    are the center of the universe, and it is right that all things
    accord with their views.
    Liberalism makes man himself the standard of all his judgments:
    that is true which man wants to be true; that is morally right, which he
    wants (or believes, or says he believes) to be morally right (in any
    situation); even God Himself is as man prefers Him to be, and God
    will do what man wants Him to, or he will turn his back on Him.
    With respect to salvation, the traditional dogma is simply unacceptable
    to modern man. According to it, only a very small percentage
    of mankind can be imagined to be saved, and the vast majority are to
    be lost. This thought is unbearably repugnant to Liberals, and therefore,
    it is not to be countenanced. "Take thy bill and sit down quickly,
    and write. . . : 'All men of good will will be saved.' There, that's better."
    (Lk. 16:6). In a word, Liberal Theology is purest subjectivism
    and willfulness.
    This book is being written to reassert traditional Catholic teaching.
    In Part One, we shall speak of the Doctrine of Exclusive Salvation,
    in an effort to bring the sincere Christian back to some
    semblance of Catholic realism. The objective truth is that there is no
    salvation outside the Catholic Church.
    In the realm of morality, we must reaffirm that Catholic morality
    pertains primarily to the Ten Commandments. Almighty God will
    judge all men in terms of whether they have observed this law, and
    that, not in terms of the Old Testament, nor in terms of Protestantism,
    nor any other false religion, nor in terms of contemporary "situation
    ethics,' but in terms of the theological virtues of faith, hope and
    charity and the Ten Commandments.
    Judged by these holy norms, not only will all who never enter
    the Church lose their souls, but also, those within the Church, who
    have lost or abandoned the Faith will lose their souls.
    Liberalism is both a dogmatic and a moral heresy. It wounds
    mortally Catholic belief and moral judgment, and takes away all
    capacity to judge according to the divinely-established religion. It
    thereby renders men irreligious and blind to their spiritual condition.
    They lose the power to believe and become indifferent to their condition,
    which the Popes of the Nineteenth century referred to as
    religious indifferentism, a term which well describes most of the
    people on earth now living.
    This book is being written in an effort to persuade them all to
    consider what they do. It is written with great insistence that the
    Catholic religion is the true religion because, unlike all others, it is
    first and foremost thoroughly objective, recognizable, and determinate.
    The God of Heaven rules according to objective truth, and not in
    terms of our subjective response to His laws. Because He is a God of
    mercy, He never punishes as harshly as we deserve, but He is
    obligated by His own Justice to punish evil according to its objective
    opposition to and denial of the order of the universe and His own
    goodness.
    Liberalism is the heresy which maintains that the happiness and
    pleasure of men are ends in themselves, so that all things may be
    judged in terms of every man's greatest and immediate good pleasure
    and preferences. The emphasis here is on the words all things; which
    is to say, Liberalism defines the goodness and loving-kindness of God
    as the catering to man's earthly needs, wishes, and whimsies. It is
    because of this thinking that we must say that Liberalism subordinates
    God to man and makes Him, as it were, a divine servant, a spoiling
    Father, who cannot bear that His children be unhappy for a moment.
    When this idea is applied to the idea of morality the result is to
    declare that good is that which redounds to man's immediate pleasure
    and happiness; that evil is anything that makes a man unhappy or discontented,
    or in any way denies or obstructs his will.
    We consider that at the base of not a little of the opposition to
    the correct understanding of this doctrine is a purely sentimental horror
    at the thought of the millions who will be lost, including one's
    own dear relatives and friends, who have already died, or who
    apparently will die, without having joined the Church. These considerations,
    real though they be, must be put aside for the sake of that
    more worthy reason for the Dogma of Faith, namely, one's own great
    blessing in having the Faith. The reader is reminded that he need not
    concern himself that the Church's doctrine is too harsh and merciless;
    it could not be, for it is only the revelation of the all-good God's treatment
    of men. We must advert to the fact that every man stands in relation
    to God as we, each of us, do ourselves; which is to say that the
    dogma is to be read primarily with respect to ourselves, and two
    lessons are to be drawn from it: One, how grateful we must be that we
    are among those whom God has seen fit to call to the Faith; and, two,
    we must, each of us, do all within our power to share the realization
    of this holy truth with others. It is only when we have fully accepted
    the doctrine that we shall accept this obligation, to fulfill which is the
    sacramental grace of Confirmation.
    Our procedure will be as follows:
    We shall hear Archbishop Hay, who will show how the Sacred
    Scriptures verify the Dogma of Faith, then the Fathers and Doctors of
    the Church. Next, we shall deal with the two main quotations which
    The Accomodators present to prove that the words of the definitions
    of the doctrine are not to be taken literally. After that, we shall allow
    four priests to speak, whose viewpoints represent those held by practically
    everyone, Catholic or otherwise, and try to show where these
    positions are not tenable. Then we shall meditate on the Doctrine of
    Exclusive Salvation, as we judge it should be received in the light of
    the teaching of Our Lord and of other doctrines of the Faith, namely,
    those of Predestination and Divine Election, of the Mystical Body of
    Christ, and of the Sacraments.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 08:40:41 AM »
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  • Father Wathen's writing brings me great consolation in these days of error and heresy.  Thank you for posting it.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 08:47:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: Father Wathen
    This doctrine is the basis for the labors of all who seek to maintain and restore traditional Catholicity, though most of those who are engaged in this struggle have yet to realize the fact. Without this doctrine, assented to absolutely, Traditionalists have no cause and no argument against the current "reform" in the Church, as it is called.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 08:54:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Father Wathen
    Ironically, those who claim to be maintaining the traditional Catholic Faith (whom we refer to here as Traditionalists, for want of a better word), insisting the while that their stand is necessary for the sake of salvation, do so on the basis of this doctrine, even if they do not realize it. Yes, of course, they say that they believe it. But we emphasize once again, they do not unless they accept it absolutely. Their only argument for their "Traditionalism" is this doctrine in its absolute and uncompromising affirmation. If they qualify it in any way, their whole position becomes inconsistent to the point of being self-contradictory.
    ...
    So integrally is this doctrine woven into the fabric of the Faith that, by sardonic irony, it is the implicit basis whereby the Conciliar Establishment has achieved its hold over its ensnared captives and keeps them in line. It does this while it promotes general apostasy, especially that falsity which maintains that those outside the Church can and will be saved. Moreover, those who refuse to yield up their Faith are treated as being out of the Church, and threatened with the censures of the Church, which, let it be noticed, are nothing else but the legal application of this holy doctrine.
    ...
    To add to the irony, these outcasts (Traditionalists) generally do not accept this doctrine absolutely (which, as we keep saying, is the only way it can logically be accepted), and reprehend the Conciliarists on the basis of this very doctrine ...


    I still remember how Bishop Sanborn cited EENS as the chief criticism of Vatican II and then shot himself in the foot and got completely annihilated by Fastiggi because he admitted that non-Catholics could be saved.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 08:57:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: Father Wathen
    This doctrine is the basis for the labors of all who seek to maintain and restore traditional Catholicity, though most of those who are engaged in this struggle have yet to realize the fact. Without this doctrine, assented to absolutely, Traditionalists have no cause and no argument against the current "reform" in the Church, as it is called.


    That's it!

    Without that doctrine, it is 1959 all over again for traditionalist, like the movie "Groundhog Day", they will keep repeating the loss of the faith by their children and young priests, and a new and smaller revival of traditionalism after all the craziness starts to show. We are at that point now with the SSPX, it's 1959 all over again. If they can teach their seminarians that all the clear dogmas on EENS and Baptism do not mean what they say, then accepting ambiguous Vatican II "in light of tradition" is a piece of cake for those young priests.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 09:19:34 AM »
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  • I think all the believers in EENS as it is written hace stated repeatedly that there is no point in discussing the innocuous theories of explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood, and yet for BODers like LOT, Ambrose and all others 99% of what they post is about explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood.

    And they complain about too many BOD threads!



    Quote from: bowler
    Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Nov/nov1str.htm

     Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner  



    Total smokescreen. Typical BODer diatribe, 99.99% talking about BOD &BOB of the catechumen, meanwhile they don't even believe that explicit desire for baptism or explicit desire for martyrdom, or explicit desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ is necessary for salvation. That BODer belief in salvation without explcit belief in Christ, is opposed to the dogmatic decree of Florence, the Athanasian Creed, St. Thomas Aquinas, and is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint or council.

    How's that for dishonesty and deceit!

    It takes the cake.

    These BODers are total hypocrites.



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    « Reply #11 on: March 27, 2014, 07:10:42 PM »
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    I think all the believers in EENS as it is written hace stated repeatedly that there is no point in discussing the innocuous theories of explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood, and yet for BODers like LOT, Ambrose and all others 99% of what they post is about explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood.

    And they complain about too many BOD threads!



    Quote from: bowler
    Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Nov/nov1str.htm

     Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner  



    Total smokescreen. Typical BODer diatribe, 99.99% talking about BOD &BOB of the catechumen, meanwhile they don't even believe that explicit desire for baptism or explicit desire for martyrdom, or explicit desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ is necessary for salvation. That BODer belief in salvation without explcit belief in Christ, is opposed to the dogmatic decree of Florence, the Athanasian Creed, St. Thomas Aquinas, and is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint or council.

    How's that for dishonesty and deceit!

    It takes the cake.

    These BODers are total hypocrites.



    It is not for you to determine the extension of Baptism of Desire.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 08:39:37 PM »
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    I think all the believers in EENS as it is written hace stated repeatedly that there is no point in discussing the innocuous theories of explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood, and yet for BODers like LOT, Ambrose and all others 99% of what they post is about explicit baptism of desire of the catechumen and baptism of blood.

    And they complain about too many BOD threads!



    Quote from: bowler
    Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Nov/nov1str.htm

     Part 1 of this series discussed scholastic dishonesty in a general manner  



    Total smokescreen. Typical BODer diatribe, 99.99% talking about BOD &BOB of the catechumen, meanwhile they don't even believe that explicit desire for baptism or explicit desire for martyrdom, or explicit desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ is necessary for salvation. That BODer belief in salvation without explcit belief in Christ, is opposed to the dogmatic decree of Florence, the Athanasian Creed, St. Thomas Aquinas, and is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint or council.

    How's that for dishonesty and deceit!

    It takes the cake.

    These BODers are total hypocrites.



    It is not for you to determine the extension of Baptism of Desire.


    That BODer belief in salvation without at least explicit belief in the Incarnation and the Trinity, is opposed to the dogmatic decree of Florence, the Athanasian Creed, St. Thomas Aquinas, and is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint or council. It is they that condemn your "extension" of BOD.