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Offline s2srea

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Priest Responds to Suspension for Denying Lesbian Communion
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2012, 05:19:36 PM »
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    Here is an instance of where the book is not for the faint-hearted. If you don’t like to read sɛҳuąƖly graphic accounts, do not read what Engel has to say about the rite of sodomy here (for it will make you sick):“


    I understand its true, but I don't think this section should have been shared on this website. Its too graphic, and may scandalize some.


    Yes, in hind site I should have summarized that part with something less explicit. However I did want to make the point that the real issue here is Cardinal Wuerl because I don't think this priest would have been removed from his duties without his consent. We now know who he is and he should not be in such a powerful position considering his background. the parishioners should be calling for his resignation from the archdiocese.


    Its okay. I think it was disgusting, and am glad you showed us the resource anyways.


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    « Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 06:24:21 PM »
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  • "JREducation" from CAF is outraged that Cardinal Wuerl, yes, Cardinal Wuerl, is getting "thrown under the bus" in this discussion.

    If you can get through this without  :barf:, please register at CAF and let JR, know how you feel.

     :heretic:

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=654445&highlight=responds&page=10


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    There is an unfortunate thing happening here. Father G is being held up as a faithful priest, because he withheld Holy Communion from a lesbian woman and the Cardinal is being thrown under the buss.

    Let's look at Cardinal Wuerl's profile. All of this can be found on the internet, if anyone wants to look for the Cardinal's resume.

    1. The media itself, in 1988, called him "The Zero Tolerance Bishop". He investigated every allegation of sɛҳuąƖ abuse in his diocese. He had every guilty priest laicized and reported to the police. He even took a case to Pope John Paul when the tribunal ruled in favor of the priest and then Bishop Wuerl was certain that he was guilty. The Holy See ruled that he was guilty and the priest was laicized.

    2. He took on the District of Columbia when the City Council voted for gαy marriage and passed anti-discrimination laws. The Cardinal threatened that he would close every Catholic adoption and foster care agency in Washington. He did as he promised. The Archdiocese of Washington extends into to southern counties in Maryland. I'm not sure that they closed in Maryland, maybe so. I don't believe that he has suddenly become so "gαy couple friendly"

    3. He has pastoral concerns as to how to apply the law. He has no objections to the moral position of the Church. There is a big difference. He spearheaded the question to the Holy See on how to apply the law and what was the author's intent after the famous 50 page docuмent from the Signatura. The answer has not come back. We all know that the Church moves slowly on things that it does not consider an emergency. He has not challenged the law, he has asked for practical guidelines. Until such time as they come back, a bishop is free to make his own guidelines. That is legal and moral.

    4. He serves on the Sacred Congregation for the Clergy and the Sacred Congregation for the Faith. The man is not only a bishop, but he is a scholar.

    5. He is the only non-bishop who was allowed into the papal conclave when Bl. John Paul was elected. That's how much he was trusted by the College of Cardinals.

    6. It was the Vicar General who put Fr. G on leave. The Vicar General has the canonical authority to do this, as does the Chancellor. The bishop of the diocese must be informed after the fact. He can uphold or retract the action.

    7. There is no mention in the Vicar General's statement about the refusal to administer Holy Communion. The statement refers to reports of ugly behavior on the part of Fr. G toward people after the fact. Whether Fr. G was ugly to people or not, we don't know. He says that he was not and that this is all about the Communion issue. That's his position. It's not Gospel. The Vicar General does not say that the reports are Gospel either. He says that the priest is on administrative leave until the investigation is complete.

    8. The Archdiocese of Washington does not have any obligation to run an investigation on this matter. If they really wanted to get rid of Fr. G, they could have done so very legally and without anyone knowing. Fr. G is a guest in the Archdiocese. All that the Vicar General has to do is call his bishop and request that the bishop recall him home. He does not even have to give the bishop an explanation as to why he's making such a request. Fr. G himself admits that the Cardinal is not his bishop. There is no obligation on the part of the Cardinal to give him the benefit of the doubt and have an investigation. The Catholic Church does not operate that way. If someone in authority has a problem with you and you're not their responsibility, they send you home, no questions asked. The Holy See itself can't stop that from happening, unless the priest was placed there by the Pope or it's dangerous to go home. In which case, I would deal with my host privately, not in the press.

    Given the Cardinal's record for his service to the Church, it's really unfair to say that a "faithful priest is being persecuted." What about a faithful Cardinal? Is he not being persecuted?

    Does his Vicar General not have the right to investigate a complaint?

    Were Father's rights violated? Was Father suspended? Was Father sent back to his bishop? Could they have ignored the concerns and shipped him home? Could the Cardinal, as a member of the Congregation for the Clergy have requested that the man's bishop suspend him? The answer to that is, affirmative. The Sacred Congregation could have been asked to intervene with Fr. G's Ordinary.

    None of these tragedies have happened. There is an administrative leave, pending the results of an investigation. No one has said that Father is guilty. Even Father himself does not say that he has been found guilty of anything. He says that he believes the the reason is the communion issue. He has not been told this. Until he's told this as a fact, it is his belief. He's entitled to his belief. That does not make him a martyr. If he were unjustly punished, that would be wrong.

    He has choices. He can wait out the investigation or he can go home to his bishop. He is not a priest of the Archdiocese. Therefore, canonically, he has no right to a position in any ministry outside of his diocese, nor does he have an obligation to hang around either. He can blow it off and go home. It sounds like he's willing wait for the outcome, why can't we, before we throw another good priest under the bus?

    Fraternally,

    Br.JR, OSF


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    « Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 06:32:10 PM »
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  • Ha, I posted the links about Cardinal Wuerl on that site (I didn't include the explicit parts) and received a warning and my post was deleted. Then I posted another link from Mother's Watch about him and  and I was permanently banned. Not sure how anyone is supposed to arrive at the truth with censorship like that. Wuerl has made a significant effort to construct a conservative public record, people need to see the rest of him to shatter the illusion.

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    « Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 06:49:17 PM »
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  • You'll probably reach more Catholics if you comment on the Huffington Post articles, they receive a lot of traffic.
    This one just went up
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/marcel-guarnizo-lesbian-communion-barbara-johnson_n_1349388.html?ref=religion

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    « Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 07:04:47 PM »
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  • CAF has gone beyond laughing stock to now outright defending bishops who persecute good priests and apologize to gαy-rights activists. You are absolutely correct in that CAF has become complicit in the sin of these bishops by silencing every ounce of criticism of their deplorable acts on their site. They give the impression to their well meaning neophyte posters that obedience is God. We are apparently supposed to check all of our brains and opinions at the door and follow corrupt bishops wherever they lead us.

    HOW is the Church supposed to resurrect itself when every good priest is thrown under the bus by his bishop? They don't get it. Truth doesn't serve obedience. Obedience was meant to serve Truth. Currently the libs are using it to systematically destroy the Church. And the Neo-Caths are their willing dupes. They will be the last to know.