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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2009, 07:03:36 PM »
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    « Reply #31 on: October 06, 2009, 07:06:14 PM »
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    • Can anyone imagine a valid Pope saying these things?
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    « Reply #32 on: October 06, 2009, 07:08:01 PM »
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    « Reply #33 on: October 06, 2009, 07:15:26 PM »
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    « Reply #34 on: October 06, 2009, 07:18:38 PM »
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    « Reply #35 on: October 06, 2009, 09:15:23 PM »
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    I'm glad to see that at least you admit that the claim the Pope denies the resurrection of the body is false.


    Indeed I cannot see him explicitly teaching it.  A lot of his writings seem to be in the form of questions, which he leaves either half answered or hanging, though.  Not very edifying.

    In any case it is unjust to impute to a criminal a crime he did not commit.  Such seems to be the case with ANTIpope Benedict XVI and the allegation that he explicitly denied the resurrection of the body, though he certainly did not teach the matter as a Catholic pope would.
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    « Reply #36 on: October 06, 2009, 09:22:42 PM »
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    • He calls into question whether we rise with our own bodies.  Not Catholic.  Not Catholic at all.  Can you imagine Pius X doing this?
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    « Reply #37 on: October 06, 2009, 09:59:25 PM »
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    "Careful about accuracy"  Was it proven the Father Ratzinger did not write what he wrote in his books?

    I am not being sarcastic but would really like to know if such is believed.


    L.o.T.  I am sorry!  My writing was unclear!  I took you at your word that Fr. Ratzinger had written this.  I do not doubt your accuracy.

    Did I understand correctly that he changed once he became B16?

    Also, it is I who should be careful about accuracy and state plainly that I am no theologian, and I am a slow learner.
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    « Reply #38 on: October 06, 2009, 10:02:23 PM »
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    "Careful about accuracy"  Was it proven the Father Ratzinger did not write what he wrote in his books?

    I am not being sarcastic but would really like to know if such is believed.


    L.o.T.  I am sorry!  My writing was unclear!  I took you at your word that Fr. Ratzinger had written this.  I do not doubt your accuracy.

    Did I understand correctly that he changed once he became B16?

    Also, it is I who should be careful about accuracy and state plainly that I am no theologian, and I am a slow learner.


    Well,

    Other people seem to agree with you so I have started to doubt myself on this point.  I am more going by a sermon by Bishop Sanborn whose link I will have to find and share on this site than what was written.

    I am very willing and will not be surprised if I stand corrected or at least partially corrected on this issue.  I do hope if such is the case that it does not undermine the other things I have shared.  I do pride myself in both honesty and sincerety.

    I appreciate your humility.
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    « Reply #39 on: October 06, 2009, 10:07:25 PM »
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    • But L.o.T. I personally would not ever use MHFM as the last word in accuracy.  They are destructive, IMO.
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    « Reply #40 on: October 06, 2009, 10:10:55 PM »
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    • Can you please tell me what IMO means?

    The truth is the truth no matter who states it.  Double check them to make sure they are not taking the quotes out of context.

    I do agree that they are uncharitable liars but they are right on about most things apart from BOB/D.

    I do not reccomend them however and see your point to be sure.
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    « Reply #41 on: October 06, 2009, 10:42:05 PM »
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    • "IMO" = In My Opinion

    I just read the first post regarding Christ as the Messiah.

    I did not see any heresy in the quotations from Pope BXVI in that post.

    The Dimonds have an uncanny ability to strip sentences out of context and then interpret them as heresy or else simply exclaim "what astonishing heresy!" and then explain the Catholic view of the matter, implying Benedict was stating the opposite of it, when he did no such thing.

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    « Reply #42 on: October 06, 2009, 11:08:49 PM »
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    « Reply #43 on: October 06, 2009, 11:25:03 PM »
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    • Heretic.
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    « Reply #44 on: October 07, 2009, 01:36:44 AM »
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    • Doesn't being called a heretic by a heretic mean I'm not a heretic?

    It's sort of like a double negative. ;)

    Just kidding.

    By the way, Matthew, you need a wink emoticon!
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