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Offline Thorn

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« Reply #135 on: December 24, 2011, 08:15:22 PM »
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  • I, too, want to say that that was a wonderful post, Gertrude.  

    What particularly struck me was the note about abortion.  I've often thought that, but never seen or heard anyone else voicing it.   Everyone I met in the pro-life movement were NO.  While abortion is a most hideous crime that needs to be fought, it is mostly a crime against man, while the NO is a most hideous blasphemy directly against Almighty God.  If they would turn away from the NO, then perhaps the crime of murder would melt away of its own accord, or at least diminish.  I know that's perhaps too simplistic, but we need to get back to worshipping God in the fullest.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #136 on: December 24, 2011, 08:41:23 PM »
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  • Thorn said:  
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    If they would turn away from the NO, then perhaps the crime of murder would melt away of its own accord, or at least diminish. I know that's perhaps too simplistic, but we need to get back to worshipping God in the fullest.


    No, it's not simplistic at all, it's what I've been saying all along -- if you want to take down the rotten tree, and leave room for a new one, strike at the root.

    This also pertains to sedevacantism, acknowledging that the whole Novus Ordo establishment is rotten and anti-Christ.  

    We need the real Church back that will put heavy penalties on abortionists, refusing them absolution, and a Catholic state that will make it illegal and perhaps worthy of jail time or the death penalty.  That is how serious this really is.  These feminists need to have real fear put into them.

    It's not that it's bad to protest against abortion, but in a situation like this, it's like standing in front of a wildfire with a water pistol.  You might put out a spark or two, which is still worthwhile, but let's face it, our energy is better spent fighting the Novus Ordo.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #137 on: December 24, 2011, 08:55:15 PM »
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  • I wouldn't be so dismissive of anti-abortion people!

    How many future  traditional priests, nuns, or saints have been murdered?






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    « Reply #138 on: December 24, 2011, 09:19:10 PM »
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  • I'm not dismissing the pro-lifers.

    The operative words in Gertrude's post were 'INORDINATE' interest in the crime of abortion WITHOUT the apparent HORROR........'

    I also said that abortion needed to be fought.  But let's get our priorities straight.

    And how many times has Our Lord been vilified, cast aside, ignored, reduced to nothing more than our Friend, made into our image, blasphemed, etc. in the NO?  
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #139 on: December 25, 2011, 12:11:05 AM »
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  • Y'know, I *really* learned a lot from this thread, from everyone, including Gertrude (who I definitely don't agree with on many points). In fact, *especially* Gertrude.

    I think the *inordinate* (key word there) focus on abortion in the NOChurch is naturalism at its most subtle, while liturgy is continually abused

    Excellent point, several of your points were excellent.

    Thank you, I don't remember the last time I learned as much from someone I disagree with (re:Fr. Martin)


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    « Reply #140 on: December 25, 2011, 07:53:03 PM »
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  • Jude, lovely post.  

    Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus
    For example, when facing any new or challenging situation, the first reaction of supernaturally-minded people is to pray, accompanied by some offering or promise to God or a Saint. Our first reaction is to try to think or work our way through it, and we only have recourse to prayer if our own methods fail, i.e. if a crisis situation develops.


    How true is that!

    The same and better used to be apparent in places like Ireland, where "Praise God" and "Thank God" and "God willing" were tacked onto sentences with hardly a thought.  Prayer and a real recognition of divine providence were integral factors in the culture, embedded in the language, displayed openly by most people, scorned or neglected only by the "clever" and sophisticated.

    Another integral factor is modesty of dress, actions, and words.  Spiritually sensitive people blush at indelicate matters.  Worldly people don't even notice that there is any indelicacy.

    Archbishop Lefebvre referred to the radical desensitization to immodesty in his summary description of the terrible effects of Vatican II in his not-sufficiently-famous letter One Year After the Council:

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    Pride has as its normal consequence the concupiscence of the eyes and the flesh. It is perhaps one of the most appalling signs of our age to see to what moral decadence the majority of Catholic publications have fallen. They speak without any restraint of sɛҳuąƖity, of birth control by every method, of the lawfulness of divorce, of mixed education, of flirtation, of dances as a necessary means of Christian upbringing, of the celibacy of the clergy, etc.


    Read the whole thing, study it, ponder it:  http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/arch_lefebvre_response_card_ottaviani_post_council.htm

    Think about what you see on so-called Catholic forums.  The open discussion of matters that ought not so much as to be named amongst us.

    And then think about poor Malachi Martin's books, the filth that is described in unnecessary and prurient detail.  My allegation, my sad observation, is that only a soul bereft of the Catholic spirit could fail to be repelled by his writing, could fail to recognise the spirit of the world, the flesh, and the devil which permeates it.  The poor man was saturated with the spirit of the world.

    And that's why his name must be destroyed, despite our reluctance to think ill of any man, and despite the proper restrain which we feel not to speak ill of the dead.  In his case, as with all authors of bad books, it is especially true that the evil that he did lives after him.

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    « Reply #141 on: December 26, 2011, 12:19:25 AM »
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    And then think about poor Malachi Martin's books, the filth that is described in unnecessary and prurient detail.


    Indeed, it is sensationalistic trash.  How can anyone not see that Windswept House is the same as The  Exorcist?  Under the guise of a "religous exposé," what is the audience really tickled by with The Exorcist?  A little girl speaking filthy sex talk.  That is really the secret to its success, the shock value of that.

    Yes, people who are possessed really do spew filth just like in the movie.  The difference is that, if you read a Catholic account of an exorcism, it doesn't reveal what they said in perfect detail.  It's filthy, we get the idea.

    Windswept House also sold itself with its opening scene of a black Mass.  It isn't as sensationalistic as The Exorcist, but it's clear that it was meant to "move copies" of the book.  Anyone who has the slightest appreciation of how Hollywood works would instantly see this, that the black mass is MM's angle, his "hook."  The book would not have sold a single copy without it, nor would it have been published.  Trust me on that.  

    Well, it is not right for a Catholic to compromise in this way, especially if all he is going to do is churn a vague story whose moral is that "Something is wrong in the Vatican."  Like people don't know that already hearing about dozens of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ pedophile priests arrested each month, we need Malachi's cryptic little novel to clue us in?  Sorry -- no.  

    If you're going to support this, why not support some kind of Eurotrash horror film that explicitly shows depictions of black masses?  I used to be fooled by these films too, when I was a wannabe filmmaker.  As if God would approve of a film "exposing" witchcraft by showing pornographic scenes of witchcraft and then tacking on a disapproving moral at the end -- that isn't "exposing" witchcraft... That IS witchcraft.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #142 on: December 26, 2011, 12:24:31 AM »
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  • P.S.  The films of Mel Gibson are also witchcraft, subtly invoking hideous morals that will lead souls to hell.  Yet people support him and think he's just slightly troubled.  Shows how easy it is to fool people.  How many films does Mel have to make where he romanticizes cold-blooded murder before people realize that making ONE Christ movie doesn't cover for it?  This man needs to make public reparation for his fiendish and double-minded actions.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #143 on: December 26, 2011, 07:24:12 AM »
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  • On the other hand,at least in the US, the use of the Rite of Exorcism had been suppressed along with the graces of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    Gone were thousands of nuns and priests.  The seminaries became moral cesspools, Catholic schools and churches closed, abortion legalised, mind controlling TV in every house, drug addiction epidemic, violent crime epidemic--we all know the list of filth thrown in our faces every day. The Catholic clergy scandals alone should tell us that there were lots of possessed priests att large.  The pornography industry is one of the richest in the world.  "Mental illness" touches almost every family.  

    Are we supposed to believe in "mental illness" and corporate pharmaceutical "cures"?

    Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to cast out demons.  The feckless and faithless modernists want everyone to believe that demonic possession is a medieval hoax; nobody is possessed.  They have convinced millions that the aborted babies had no soul, that people should be killed when they become too sick, that cloning is OK.  

    Are we going to deny that demonic influences are rampant and that our clergy are not dealing with the problem?

    I say let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.






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    « Reply #144 on: December 26, 2011, 10:26:22 AM »
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  • Elizabeth, most of the clergy ARE the problem.

    If we want to fix the problem, we need to look in the mirror.  Just sayin'.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #145 on: December 26, 2011, 01:40:09 PM »
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     As if God would approve of a film "exposing" witchcraft by showing pornographic scenes of witchcraft and then tacking on a disapproving moral at the end -- that isn't "exposing" witchcraft... That IS witchcraft.  


    Even more basically, it IS pornography.

    And a bid Amen on the Mel Gibson comment
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #146 on: December 26, 2011, 05:11:55 PM »
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    Elizabeth, most of the clergy ARE the problem.

    If we want to fix the problem, we need to look in the mirror.  Just sayin'.


    I don't quite understand what you mean, unless you are a priest?

    Here's what I was trying to say- MM sort of alerted the public to the fact that demonic infestation, obsession, and possession are not out-dated like the Latin Mass.





     




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    « Reply #147 on: December 26, 2011, 06:38:36 PM »
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    I don't quite understand what you mean, unless you are a priest?


     My mistake, I forgot you are an ex-Carmelite nun.

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    « Reply #148 on: December 26, 2011, 09:56:12 PM »
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  • Guess we both misunderstood each other.  I was referring to ALL the problems in the church today while you were specifying demonic influences.  I don't think trads believe that possession, etc. is out-dated.  At least I sure don't.  The devil is alive & well these days.  When I said we need to look in the mirror I meant that WE the people in the pew need to help fix the problems & not look for everyone else to shape up.  I still say the clergy ARE a big part of the problems but how does that equal I must be a priest?  I was a Carmelite but don't know how that fits in either.
     
    I recently read 'The Rite' by Matt Baglio (only because it was recommended by someone - a non-trad) & I've never read such ignorance of the true church.  Obviously Baglio & the priests he wrote about are all NO & totally clueless. I'm going to write to Baglio & try to shed some light. I'm doing my little part!
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #149 on: December 26, 2011, 11:11:19 PM »
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  • Elizabeth,

    And what good exactly came from people focusing on diabolical possession?

    I am not suggesting there weren't a few conversions, but Medjugore produced some too.

    The point is that diabolical possession has always existed, and has never had the primary interest of Christians.  It's always been the concern of a few specialists, at least during healthy periods.  The unhealthy periods were when the Protestant witch-trial mania infected Catholic areas to some degree.

    What excited people about Martin's book was the sensationalism of it, the prurient interest it fed, the sense of a sporting contest that he created, in which the Exorcist was risking his own soul to come to the aid of the poor innocent who was possessed.  Those are all worldly motives. (And as I've said, the risk to the soul of the Exorcist is fairy-tale stuff anyway.)

    What was the practical benefit?  Nothing.

    In 1975, when that book appeared, the crisis in the Church was as dramatic as it ever got, because floods of priests and religious were still apostatising, clown "masses" and such like were proliferating, etc.  Martin noticed none of it, didn't care.  He had more exciting things on his mind, especially making money and presenting his New Age religion of Immanent Jesusism.  

    Martin was a dangerous distractor, not a shepherd.

    We don't need to worry that we might become possessed.  We need to worry that we might not guard our tongues, our eyes, our thoughts, and that we might offend Almighty God.  To avoid that catastrophe we need His graces, which means we need to live our faith energetically, generously, selflessly.