Anyway, probably after Pope Benedict's ailing health fails him for the last time and he passes into eternity, whenever that is, Fr. Kramer will come around.
I'd like to think that Fr. Kramer is starting to come around now, but you're probably right. When Benedict dies, he'll probably move on from his so-called "SV position". I hope I'm wrong, but this seems more about the dreaded loss of Benedict XVI than concerns about Francis.
Dear 2Vermont, it's probably a bit of both for Fr. Kramer. However, I respectfully disagree with your sentiments on Pope Benedict XVI.
Pope Benedict XVI was at least someone who genuinely appreciated to an extent the need for traditional liturgical orthopraxis. He even said at the crux of the crisis in the Church is a crisis in the liturgy. He derided the "banal on the spot product" that the New Mass often was in practice. He in his many writings on the subject even before ascending to the Throne of Peter was very much in favor of the orientation of worship
versus deum and not
versus populum. While no doubt still maintaining that the "Ordinary Form of the Roman rite" was a legitimate expression of the
lex orandi, lex credendi this was at least a starting point for us to work from. And moreover, he handed a victory to all traditionalists by showing we were always right and that every priest always had a right to the traditional Mass. Not all conservatives realized it, then, but that was an implicit concession that all earlier sanctions from the authorities against traditional priests and faithful were therefore unjust.
Many Catholics both among the faithful and among the seminarians in the mainstream Church have been exposed to the tradtional Mass and Tradition in general thanks to him, and the Motu Proprio and also to Bishop Fellay, and the SSPX.
Pope Francis' view on this matter however is well known and unfortunately is quite different. He clearly does not have the same perspective.
In my opinion, people look for some progress, something to work toward, otherwise we are all liable to despair. Where do those who criticize Pope Benedict XVI, I ask, see the cause of Tradition in 10, 20 or 50 years?
To me it seems self- evident that once our own family and spiritual lives are in order and our sacramental needs are well met, we must think about how best to work toward the restoration of Tradition in the mainstream Church so that they too may benefit from the Church's treasures. Very often, those who come to attend or to offer the traditional Mass begin to assist at it exclusively. This augurs very well for the future of the Faith. And there are very many now who know about and have the option to do so, than there were even a few years ago, and despite all the attempts of a liberal hierarchy to prevent it. And those who know the necessary connection between the law of prayer and the law of belief will see that this could well be a stepping stone back to doctrinal orthodoxy too for these faithful and priests.
But if one is a sedevacantist, and is looking for some solution, well, especially if one believes all the new sacraments are invalid, as almost all invariably do (soulguard is the one exception I know) most can see no other ultimate solution given their position than to setup a conclave themselves, as soulguard and John are taking about.
But sacred theology is very clear and leaves no room for doubt. Take it from learned sedevacantists today like John Lane or John Daly, or even from the CMRI, which has always refused to support them. A conclavist election will only be invalid and schismatic. And Catholics will not only be free but be obliged to cut themselves off from all its participants and supporters. I say this in all charity, but it really is that forceful in the manuals and all and anyway basically all trad clergy know that and always refuse to participate in or support such elections.
The only lawful electors after the Cardinals are the clergy incardinated into the diocese of Rome by a former Roman Pontiff.
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