Author Topic: Father Feeney was a Stubborn Teacher of Heresy (Read 983 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2009, 10:45:24 AM »

:argue: :jumping2: :dancing-banana: :rahrah: :tv-disturbed:

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2009, 10:49:49 AM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

by Griff RubyThey claim the Letter was only written "from two heretical cardinals ... to one apostate archbishop,"

alread addressed, calumny and personal opinion.....Ruby is not a Church authority...

Feeny is dead and gone.Dimonds are unstable (they advertise on Alex Jones/ site...Jones is avowed Baptist and allows posts and articles attacking the Catholic faith....Dimonds,yup, reeal Catholic there!)

Of note, I read Jones, most is decent, but would not advertise on his site....

Moving on along..... :dancing:

Jehanne · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2009, 10:55:00 AM »

One quick point, which I have made before, but it deserves mentioning again. If I was an atheist, I could make the following historical observation:

Quote

From before the time of Saint Augustine until after the time of the Reformation, the Catholic Church believed that all non-Catholics went to Hell.

Find me a historian, secular, atheist, agnostic, religious (can be any religion), or otherwise, who disagrees, and I will reconsider my position.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2009, 01:31:39 PM »

1) Suprema haec sacra refers to doctrines taught, or at least referenced, in Sacred Scripture, and by Tertullian, Origen, and Saints Cyprian, Ambrose, Ursinius, Augustine, John Chrysostom, Gregory nαzιanz, Bernard, Thomas Aquinas, Bonaventure, Robert Bellarmine, and Alphonse Ligouri, explicitly ruled upon in favor by Popes Innocent II, Innocent III, Pius IX, Pius XII, and by both the Council and Catechism of Trent. By contrast, the "teaching" of the eleven "theologican-qualifiers" has no basis in any of Sacred Scripture, the Fathers, the Popes, any Council or Synod of the Church, and no Doctors. While it is true that St. Robert Bellarmine accepted the decision of these "theologian-qualifiers" since they officially spoke for the Holy Office, and the Pope did agree to their declaration the next day (in accordance to standard Holy Office procedure), his acceptance of this clearly came "after the fact" as he no doubt felt honor-bound to submit to the decision of the Holy Office (and thereby, the Pope) and even to do his level best at trying to defend their conclusion, no matter how patently nonsensical he may have even then suspected that it was.

If those guys don't got it right then the Catholic Faith is false. Divine Revelation was given to the Apostles and Successors. It ended with the death of the last Apostle. It had not been fully expounded upon by Augustine or the Reformation.

Those who do not believe what the Church teaches are like Protestant rigorist or the Orthodox who do not accept any doctrine, such as the Immaculate Conception, which was not fully expounded upon until after the split in 1054. Maybe you should be Orthodox.

Or found the religion of [insert your name].

I'll "take my chances" with the Fathers, Doctors, Saints and Popes.

Jehanne · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2009, 01:52:56 PM »

SJB · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2009, 01:57:43 PM »

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:15:51 PM »

And the actual excerpt from the docuмent, quotations and cross comparisons for our viewing pleasure?

Jehanne · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:29:19 PM »

Quote from: SJB

[Please define what you mean by "non-Catholic". This ought to be interesting...

I am not sure why you would find my reply "interesting." I would define a Catholic in same manner that the Inquisitions of the Middle Ages would define a Catholic:

1) Has the person been valid baptized? If so, when? Where? Who are the parents, godparents, etc? Has the individual made a first communion, confession, and confirmation?

2) Does the person have explicit faith in Jesus Christ, as the One and Only Son of God, Creator of all that is visible and invisible, as Lord, Redeemer, and Judge of all mankind? Does the person have a belief in an afterlife, a Heaven and a Hell, future Resurrection of the Dead, etc.

3) Does the individual profess the Creeds of the Church, that is, the Nicene, Athanasian (recited all throughout the Middle Ages, but not in recent times), Lateran, etc. Creeds?

4) Can the individual say the Pater Noster or at least some other prayer, even with assistance?

5) Does the individual profess complete and total fidelity, submission, and obedience to all the doctrines and dogmas of the Church?

6) Does the individual profess submission to the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, and to those bishops who also profess submission to the Pope?

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

1) Suprema haec sacra refers to doctrines taught, or at least referenced, in Sacred Scripture, and by Tertullian, Origen, and Saints Cyprian, Ambrose, Ursinius, Augustine, John Chrysostom, Gregory nαzιanz, Bernard, Thomas Aquinas, Bonaventure, Robert Bellarmine, and Alphonse Ligouri, explicitly ruled upon in favor by Popes Innocent II, Innocent III, Pius IX, Pius XII, and by both the Council and Catechism of Trent. By contrast, the "teaching" of the eleven "theologican-qualifiers" has no basis in any of Sacred Scripture, the Fathers, the Popes, any Council or Synod of the Church, and no Doctors. While it is true that St. Robert Bellarmine accepted the decision of these "theologian-qualifiers" since they officially spoke for the Holy Office, and the Pope did agree to their declaration the next day (in accordance to standard Holy Office procedure), his acceptance of this clearly came "after the fact" as he no doubt felt honor-bound to submit to the decision of the Holy Office (and thereby, the Pope) and even to do his level best at trying to defend their conclusion, no matter how patently nonsensical he may have even then suspected that it was.

If those guys don't got it right then the Catholic Faith is false. Divine Revelation was given to the Apostles and Successors. It ended with the death of the last Apostle. It had not been fully expounded upon by Augustine or the Reformation.

Those who do not believe what the Church teaches are like Protestant rigorist or the Orthodox who do not accept any doctrine, such as the Immaculate Conception, which was not fully expounded upon until after the split in 1054. Maybe you should be Orthodox.

Or found the religion of [insert your name].

I'll "take my chances" with the Fathers, Doctors, Saints and Popes.

have to be blind to miss that green lettering :faint:

Jehanne · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:32:41 PM »

I should also add, "Has the person made a confession in the past year? Has he/she received the Body of Christ in the last year?"

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:42:19 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

I should also add, "Has the person made a confession in the past year? Has he/she received the Body of Christ in the last year?"

Exactly, the minimum the Church imposes are these 2 things (along others of course)......not get do either is a mortal sin in and of itself....

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2009, 03:27:16 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

1) Has the person been valid baptized? If so, when? Where? Who are the parents, godparents, etc? Has the individual made a first communion, confession, and confirmation?

2) Does the person have explicit faith in Jesus Christ, as the One and Only Son of God, Creator of all that is visible and invisible, as Lord, Redeemer, and Judge of all mankind? Does the person have a belief in an afterlife, a Heaven and a Hell, future Resurrection of the Dead, etc.

3) Does the individual profess the Creeds of the Church, that is, the Nicene, Athanasian (recited all throughout the Middle Ages, but not in recent times), Lateran, etc. Creeds?

4) Can the individual say the Pater Noster or at least some other prayer, even with assistance?

5) Does the individual profess complete and total fidelity, submission, and obedience to all the doctrines and dogmas of the Church?

6) Does the individual profess submission to the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, and to those bishops who also profess submission to the Pope?

Excellent work!

CM · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2009, 03:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Jehanne
I should also add, "Has the person made a confession in the past year? Has he/she received the Body of Christ in the last year?"

Exactly, the minimum the Church imposes are these 2 things (along others of course)......not get do either is a mortal sin in and of itself....

Knowingly receiving from heretics and schismatics is a mortal sin. Not receiving sacraments when they are not available is not a mortal sin.