Author Topic: Father Crawford's Chapel (Read 4736 times)

Marulus Fidelis · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2023, 05:40:02 PM »

One more thing. Notice the OP could have said that Crawford is an imposing heretic, mentally ill, promotes sin, requires this or that, etc., etc. Instead he says there are shenaningans.

So you were there for five years but everyone else should stay away from the sacraments to avoid "shenanigans"?

At the risk of repeating myself, the implication is something horrible is going on there, what is it?

Minnesota · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2023, 07:04:46 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 05, 2023, 03:57:51 PM

... this narrative looks to be a blend of some truth, some half truths, some exaggerations, with some agenda (anti-Feeneyite and anti-Thuc-line), and some personal animosity / grudge / vendetta. I assure you that it's not the "end of story" or the complete sorry. Someone who's objective and impartial would have to have a look into the matter.

You've rather naive and gullible to accept a single relatively-anonymous post as if it were gospel truth.

Looking further, there are some holes in the story, you're right.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2023, 07:19:09 PM »

Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on July 05, 2023, 03:16:04 PM

What even... I don't know why I'm still shocked by what kinds of things so-called traditionalists believe but this is next level insanity. I'm having trouble believing some of this All Catholic books and Bibles are corrupted? What?! The colour pink is evil? This must be some fabrication, how can you get so ridiculous?

Well, there go the vestments for Laetare and Gaudete Sundays.

The business about shunning books (including Bibles!) and relying upon infused knowledge gained by prayer, sounds more like some kind of transcendentalist movement, or like the Quakers, or the Mormons with their "burning in the bosom". It's not Catholicism.

liannerenee · « **Reply #18 on:** January 10, 2024, 10:56:52 PM »

Can you expand on what kind of shenanigans?
We had close friends ( family) who just up, left everyone, and won’t talk to us unless we talk to their priest first.
I feel like he reads their mail/texts!

Matthew · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2024, 11:16:09 PM »

Moving this thread to the proper forum: CRISIS IN THE CHURCH, where discussion of Sede chapels belongs.

Why was this originally posted in the "SSPX Resistance" subforum? This chapel and Fr. Crawford, as well as the CMRI, have NOTHING to do with the Resistance.

LVCIVS · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2024, 04:30:42 PM »

Is this the same Fr. Crawford who moved from Southern California a couple of years ago?

Butterfly3 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2025, 02:06:24 AM »

I was looking up Fr. Dominic crawford and any new news and this popped up as well as novusordowatch talking about him. I'm just here to say all this is crazy and unbelievable but it's true (though I've not heard about the ankle long dresses and pink color, shorts, etc. But honestly i wouldn't put it past him). The weirder the stuff, nobody is going to believe it because it sounds too far out there. That's how cults are. If those people ever got out, would you believe what they said? Probably not.

2-3 years ago we had a fallout with another priest (independent sede priest. He's posted on this site once.) He split up actual families that still don't talk to their parents sadly, even after he's out of the state to work on different people. Shame.

A few former friends went to his new church before he left the state and now they're with crawford. It's so sad and frankly ticks me off they don't see through him, but manipulative people look for lonely and gullible people 😔 to control.

I was talking with my godmother today about these people which she is a godmother to them but not anymore because they cannot talk to her because crawford says no. These ppl that moved believe you should follow the priest and whatever they say. Discernment and critical thinking skills went out the window. It's sad because that family has a lot of children and counting. They've given crawford money before they moved. It's just all sick and sad.

I don't know how to make people believe there's really bad crazies out there but it's a real big problem. It's good to be calling out bad folks, to protect the rest. Hope this helps anyone.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2025, 07:33:32 AM »

Quote from: Butterfly3 on April 30, 2025, 02:06:24 AM

I was looking up Fr. Dominic crawford and any new news and this popped up as well as novusordowatch talking about him.

Still no actual concrete and verified details ...

I serarched for NOW and Crawford and the only thing I found was NOW promoting this ridiculous screed against BoD ... which is discredited in the first paragraph, showing that they're ingnorant of the position they pretend to be attacking.
https://novusordowatch.org/2018/11/contra-crawford-baptism-of-desire-blood/

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The name that is commonly (although not quite correctly) given to this erroneous denial is “Feeneyism”, because the first major figure to hold that those who die with the baptism of desire or blood will nevertheless go to hell was the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney (1897-1978) in the 1940s

#1 ... Father Feeney did not say that they went to Hell. He said that he did not know where they went. Ignorami attacking something they don't even understand.

#2 ... Father Feeney was most certainly NOT the "first major figure" to deny salvation by a BoD. That's an abject lie. We had the majority of Church Fathers, 6-7 of them, explicitly reject BoD, then silence, and then resumed as a disputed question just before the time of St. Thomas, then Abelard opposed it ... as did other lesser-known figures. Even after Trent, Melchior Cano, for instance, continued to hold that BoD was not possible for everyone at least.

Exposed for dishonesty by their own buffoonery, and the arrogant NOW (Derksen, a guy who just looks arrogant and exudes arrogance) just pust this endorsement but are too cowardly to actually permit debate (shutting off comments).

Here's their cowardice at the end.

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Since the issues discussed in Contra Crawford are somewhat peripheral to the overall mission of Novus Ordo Watch, and since we do not want to have to invest in the time and resources needed to moderate the endless debate this post is sure to trigger, there will be no comments at all permitted for this post.

OK, if it's peripheral to your mission, then don't post it at all, but they engage in the chicken hit-and-run tactic, where they spread their error and then won't defend it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2025, 07:39:11 AM »

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The authors also make clear that the licit practice of periodic continence is not the same thing as the common Novus Ordo practice of “Natural Family Planning”

Bunch of abject liars. Between this lie and the lie about Fr. Feeney being the first major figure to deny salvation by BoD (Church Fathers are excluded), it's a sinful pack of lies from the NOW clowns.

Probably the FIRST thing that needs to be condemned by a True Pope would be clowns like this who deny the dogma EENS, exaggerate the scope of papal infallibility to the point of absurdity, make up some nonsense, which I call "Cekadism", where somehow theological consensus results in some rule of faith ... a point explicitly rejected by Msgr. Fenton (an actual theologian) as absurd, etc.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2025, 08:10:51 AM »

Since we're talking about Novus Ordo Watch ... and their self-serving dishonesty.

They constantly promote Pope Pius XII (have a drawing of him at the very top of their website) ... but now are attacking Bergoglio because his skin was turning gray after his death, presenting that as if it were evidence of something (other than the result of whatever embalming method they used), and ingoring the fact (which I did bring to their attention) that Pope Pius XII not only rotted and stank, but that his body even literally exploded, so then what does that say about Pius XII?

But they persiste in their arrogant contradictions.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2025, 08:35:35 AM »

If I had the time, it might be worth putting up a website called NovusOrdoWatchWatch ... where we track their errors and nonsense.

I posted this under their article about Bergoglio turning green/gray ...

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Gentlemen, please do a bit of research before attempting to draw implications or inferences (even if implicitly) from observations like this. If this grayish color means something, then what about the fate of Pius XII (whom you revere on this website banner) ... who basically rotted, smelled, and exploded (fingers and nose fell off) so that the public viewing had to be abruptly ended. That was due to a faulty embalming method.

After that debacle, the Vatican took measures to prevent this from ever happening again, and they moved to a method of embalming / preservation they call thanatopraxy, a key part of which involves the injection of formaldehyde. Now, formaldehyde does in fact have the effect of turning the skin gray when it comes into contact with any blood that might still remain in the body, and there can also be a slight green tint resulting from natural decomposition. So this coloration is nothing unnatural, extraordinary, or some divine confirmation of sedevacantism. So please don't discredit the position with such nonsense. While Bergoglio does not appear to be incorrupt, it's also hard to tell once the process has been interferred with by these embalming methods ... and most saints are not incorrupt either, so no theological (or other) conclusions can be drawn or inferred from this observation.

I notice how you attempt to draw inferences from what happened to Paul VI and then this condition of Bergoglio, but then pass over in silence what happened to Pius XII, which was actually far worse. While you do not explicitly draw any conclusions from this observation, the implication you're attempting to suggest are quite clear.

Marcellinus · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2025, 08:41:33 AM »

Quote from: Butterfly3 on April 30, 2025, 02:06:24 AM

I was looking up Fr. Dominic crawford and any new news and this popped up as well as novusordowatch talking about him. I'm just here to say all this is crazy and unbelievable but it's true (though I've not heard about the ankle long dresses and pink color, shorts, etc. But honestly i wouldn't put it past him). The weirder the stuff, nobody is going to believe it because it sounds too far out there. That's how cults are. If those people ever got out, would you believe what they said? Probably not.

2-3 years ago we had a fallout with another priest (independent sede priest. He's posted on this site once.) He split up actual families that still don't talk to their parents sadly, even after he's out of the state to work on different people. Shame.

A few former friends went to his new church before he left the state and now they're with crawford. It's so sad and frankly ticks me off they don't see through him, but manipulative people look for lonely and gullible people 😔 to control.

I was talking with my godmother today about these people which she is a godmother to them but not anymore because they cannot talk to her because crawford says no. These ppl that moved believe you should follow the priest and whatever they say. Discernment and critical thinking skills went out the window. It's sad because that family has a lot of children and counting. They've given crawford money before they moved. It's just all sick and sad.

I don't know how to make people believe there's really bad crazies out there but it's a real big problem. It's good to be calling out bad folks, to protect the rest. Hope this helps anyone.

Unless I’m missing something here, it seems two priests are warning against these same people?

It is truly unfortunate that cultist narcissists are able to influence this control over people. It is even more unfortunate that they enlist flying monkeys to spread their venom and deceit.

Hopefully, something can be done through the legal system to stop this behavior!

Ladislaus · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2025, 09:39:22 AM »

Quote from: Marcellinus on April 30, 2025, 08:41:33 AM

Unless I’m missing something here, it seems two priests are warning against these same people?

I have a feeling that we're all "missing something here". It's very easy to get a jaded view from someone in an opposite camp. It's like when you have a couple divorcing where each spouse paints the other one as 100% responsible and often as pure evil, due to their animosity toward them and their own bias.

So I doubt we're getting an objective view here of what's actually going on.

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2025, 09:47:33 AM »

No real Trad should be spending 1 minute per week on NovusOrdoWatch. What's the point?
There's a Crisis in the Church. Nothing should be able to dissuade you of that fact. You are firmly convinced. You are committed to making use only of Traditional Catholic priests, and attending lifeboat chapel(s) during this time of emergency, rather than your local parish, in order to preserve your Faith and save your soul.

Why look back at what nonsense is going on in the Conciliar religion this week? Let the dead bury their dead. And come, follow Jesus.

AT BEST, NovusOrdoWatch is a gallery of insanity, showing us there is a Crisis in the Church. Talk about a distraction and a waste of time!

Marcellinus · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:07:48 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 30, 2025, 09:39:22 AM

I have a feeling that we're all "missing something here". It's very easy to get a jaded view from someone in an opposite camp. It's like when you have a couple divorcing where each spouse paints the other one as 100% responsible and often as pure evil, due to their animosity toward them and their own bias.

So I doubt we're getting an objective view here of what's actually going on.

I suspect you are probably right.

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