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Offline BDJ451

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Father Crawford's Chapel
« on: July 05, 2023, 09:30:03 AM »
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  • I can only advise at this point to NOT go to Father Crawford's "parish" in Preston, MN. My family atended Father Crawford's mass for five years and shortly after Easter 2023 we left. As one "parishioner" that left noted, "too many shenanigans "

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2023, 10:12:14 AM »
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  • This is extremely unfair to make these types of statements without providing any details.  This could be coming from a disgruntled individual with an ax to grind.  If there are serious concerns, you need to make them public or else you shouldn't be making posts like this.  Or, to be honest, it could be coming from an individual who doesn't like Father Crawford's theological positions ... and possibly never attended the chapel.  We have no idea who you are or whether you have an agenda, so if you have something that the faithful truly need to be made aware of that isn't already well known, then you need to come out with it.


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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2023, 10:35:04 AM »
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  • What are "shenanigans"?

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2023, 11:07:20 AM »
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  • What are "shenanigans"?

    Yeah, that's the question.  It's way too vague and could be either something very grave or something extremely petty/trivial ... or anywhere in between.  If it's something serious, OP needs to come out with it.  If it's trivial, this post is out of line.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2023, 02:58:33 PM »
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  • Seems like we get a thread about Crawford once a year, and it's usually (though not always) something negative.  In one of the longer previous threads, here's a couple of relatively specific reports from some anons:


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    Dominic Crawford has a small ministry in Minnesota, where he services his mom's family and another family.  Mass is said (or not, given that Neal Webster ordained Crawford and its doubtful that Webster even has the right orders, and even more doubtful that he is competent enough to transmit orders).  The community is very divided and it appears that Crawford is following Fr. Feeney in more than just doctrine, but in CULT tactics: most of the people who attend his mass have very purposefully severed ties with their other traditional Catholic relatives, drinking is not allowed, confessions are when Crawford allows you to go (he has made a schedule and you can only go when it is your turn-- whether you need to or not), and Holy Communion is intermittently REFUSED to the faithful for their own spiritual growth.  Talk to him about any of this and he will simply tell you to pray the fifteen decade rosary and all your questions will be satisfied.  If you do and you still have questions, you have not prayed enough.  He is a charlatan who preys on pious and simple people, manipulating them unscrupulously. It is fashionable, apparently, for people online to defend him.  But I do not think they know him.  If they did, they would realize he is a TOTAL embarrassment to those who simply wish to believe as Fr. Feeney did.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/fr-dominic-crawford/msg711440/#msg711440
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    The situation up in MN is a sad one.  What was once a unified CMRI parish, consisting mostly of one large, tight-knit family, including the parents, 13 children, and over 40 grandchildren has been shattered since Fr. Crawford's arrival in 2017.  Half the children and their families continue on with the CMRI parish, and half follow Crawford.  Those that follow Crawford shun their family members that don't follow him, having declared that they are going to Hell when they chose to stay with CMRI and not follow Crawford, and continuing to make such declarations in the rare occasions they cross paths.  They won't show up when invited to family gatherings, and won't allow the children that go to CMRI, their nephews and nieces, visit or play with their own children.  They've told their other family members that continued with the CMRI that they can't associate with any of them in any unnecessary way until they change their beliefs to align with theirs.

    The followers of Fr. Crawford also developed new strange beliefs, ranging from rejecting the existence of Limbo, to declaring the color pink as being evil and from the devil.  Much of their new focus is on modesty, scandal, and fraternal correction.  They hold that shorts and short-sleeve shirts are sinful and scandalous, even if worn by boys or men.  They have openly rebuked their sisters as being in mortal sin for causing them scandal simply because they could see their ankle, as they hold that dresses that don't cover a woman's or girl's ankle are sinfully scandalous.  They believe they are obliged under pain of sin to correct anyone they think is sinning at all times and all places, no matter the circuмstances, even if it's a stranger in public.  One young adult man who follows Crawford told his brother he couldn't go skiing with him because there would be girls wearing ski pants, and he believed he would be sinning if he refrained from telling them they were sinning.  That same young man later told his brother he was mortally sinning for wearing shorts.  He has now moved to shunning his brother, who was his closest friend all his life, won't talk to him when he's near, and, like his other siblings that follow Crawford, shuns all his other siblings and family members that stuck with the CMRI.  

    Many of these family members following Fr. Crawford claim to receive answers to all their questions and knowledge on all their beliefs, and any decisions, directly from God while praying.  They say the knowledge is infused in them during prayer by God speaking to their heart, and they can't explain it in words.  They credit this to praying a 15-decade rosary every day.  They claimed this is how they knew to follow Crawford and reject the CMRI as evil.  In conjunction with this, they disdain and distrust Catholic books, saying books have no value, as no books can be trusted to not have been corrupted, including all bibles or writings of the popes and councils.  They've said the only knowledge that can be trusted is that which God gives to them directly in prayer, speaking to their heart, and that they know it's from God, rather than from their own feelings or the devil, because, "if you're humble enough, you'll know."

    I'm told Fr. Crawford is very charming.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/fr-dominic-crawford/msg711667/#msg711667
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    "A lady at St. Jude's had a daughter run off and join Father Crawford's church up in Minnesota. She actually confirmed pretty much everything the CathInfo poster said about him, unfortunately. She said he makes all his parishioners pray the entire rosary daily (which in itself is not bad, but we're talking in the sense that they use it for spiritual discernment, e.g. if you have a problem you should just pray the rosary and your concern will be answered, and if not, then you must not be doing it right), and that he calls them every single day to check on them, teach, etc. She said that he had visited them initially and that her daughter got hooked. I am guessing he, maybe like the Dimonds, has an air about him that just draws a certain kind of person to him, because it's almost like this daughter, according to the lady's testimony, was enchanted and follows anything and everything he says. Next thing she knew, she said, her daughter was packing up and moving her own family to Minnesota to get a house and everything close to Crawford's congregation. At that church, according to this lady, he separates men and women and has a dress code similar to what CathInfo said. Iirc, it's blue. I asked her if it sounds like a cult, and she said it's absolutely a cult. That's pretty interesting considering that's now two people that have said this about him. It seems like where there's smoke, there's fire. She says it's like her daughter is a different person now, and that families there are basically not allowed to mingle with their families back home when they join Crawford's church, at least from what I gather. So it sounds, honestly, like a weird place."

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/fr-dominic-crawford/msg722190/#msg722190
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    Fr. Crawford recently forbade his followers from attending the wedding of their son and brother, simply because it was with CMRI.  Crawford warned his followers that any of them that went to the CMRI wedding would need to make a public abjuration in his chapel before they could receive communion again.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/fr-dominic-crawford/msg729005/#msg729005
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    So, the claims include: imposing a color-coded dress code, refusing holy communion to worthy communicants as a way of promoting their spiritual growth, pre-appointed and compulsory confession appointments (i.e., you are required to go to confession at a certain time and place regardless of need), teaching that everyone must fraternally correct anyone at any time under pain of sin, and requiring the faithful to not fraternize with family members who go to different mass centers, including requiring public abjuration of error for attending the weddings of family members celebrated by traditionalist priests of the CMRI.  
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    OP, if you're worried about detraction, maybe you can just confirm or deny if you witnessed these allegations as a member of his congregation. Or if there's anything else (specific) you think people should know. It's fair enough to ask for specifics if your message is to avoid a man who claims a priestly ministry in the Church.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2023, 03:16:04 PM »
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  • Seems like we get a thread about Crawford once a year, and it's usually (though not always) something negative.  In one of the longer previous threads, here's a couple of relatively specific reports from some anons:

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    So, the claims include: imposing a color-coded dress code, refusing holy communion to worthy communicants as a way of promoting their spiritual growth, pre-appointed and compulsory confession appointments (i.e., you are required to go to confession at a certain time and place regardless of need), teaching that everyone must fraternally correct anyone at any time under pain of sin, and requiring the faithful to not fraternize with family members who go to different mass centers, including requiring public abjuration of error for attending the weddings of family members celebrated by traditionalist priests of the CMRI. 
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    OP, if you're worried about detraction, maybe you can just confirm or deny if you witnessed these allegations as a member of his congregation. Or if there's anything else (specific) you think people should know. It's fair enough to ask for specifics if your message is to avoid a man who claims a priestly ministry in the Church.
    What even... I don't know why I'm still shocked by what kinds of things so-called traditionalists believe but this is next level insanity. I'm having trouble believing some of this  All Catholic books and Bibles are corrupted? What?! The colour pink is evil? This must be some fabrication, how can you get so ridiculous? 

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2023, 03:19:30 PM »
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  • Also, if someone subscribed to this insanity FOR FIVE YEARS what does that tell you about their credibility...

    Probably the main allegations about isolation and the rest are true and the more ridiculous things are fabricated or overblown.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2023, 03:21:07 PM »
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  • Seems like we get a thread about Crawford once a year, and it's usually (though not always) something negative.  In one of the longer previous threads, here's a couple of relatively specific reports from some anons:

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    So, the claims include: imposing a color-coded dress code, refusing holy communion to worthy communicants as a way of promoting their spiritual growth, pre-appointed and compulsory confession appointments (i.e., you are required to go to confession at a certain time and place regardless of need), teaching that everyone must fraternally correct anyone at any time under pain of sin, and requiring the faithful to not fraternize with family members who go to different mass centers, including requiring public abjuration of error for attending the weddings of family members celebrated by traditionalist priests of the CMRI. 
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    OP, if you're worried about detraction, maybe you can just confirm or deny if you witnessed these allegations as a member of his congregation. Or if there's anything else (specific) you think people should know. It's fair enough to ask for specifics if your message is to avoid a man who claims a priestly ministry in the Church.

    That is a cult. Full stop, end of story.
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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2023, 03:57:51 PM »
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  • That is a cult. Full stop, end of story.

    :facepalm: ... this narrative looks to be a blend of some truth, some half truths, some exaggerations, with some agenda (anti-Feeneyite and anti-Thuc-line), and some personal animosity / grudge / vendetta.  I assure you that it's not the "end of story" or the complete sorry.  Someone who's objective and impartial would have to have a look into the matter.

    You've rather naive and gullible to accept a single relatively-anonymous post as if it were gospel truth.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2023, 03:59:37 PM »
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  • I'm having trouble believing some of this  All Catholic books and Bibles are corrupted? What?! The colour pink is evil? This must be some fabrication, how can you get so ridiculous?

    THIS ^^^

    As I said, maybe some truth, but also undoubtedly some embellishment, exaggeration, half truths, combined with an agenda and some personal animosity ... that's what this narrative sounds like to me.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #10 on: July 05, 2023, 04:19:24 PM »
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  • Worth pointing out that no one quoted above claimed Crawford teaches that pink is evil, or that one cannot read Catholic books. Some poster said that he knows people who go to Crawford that believe that. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #11 on: July 05, 2023, 04:23:15 PM »
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  • This was the quote from above:


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    The followers of Fr. Crawford also developed new strange beliefs, ranging from rejecting the existence of Limbo, to declaring the color pink as being evil and from the devil. [etc.]
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    That poster wasn't claiming anything about what Crawford was teaching in that paragraph, only about certain new beliefs people he knew adopted after coming under Crawford's spiritual care. I agree it's important to get the facts straight, especially when a reputation is at issue.
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #12 on: July 05, 2023, 04:36:05 PM »
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  • Worth pointing out that no one quoted above claimed Crawford teaches that pink is evil, or that one cannot read Catholic books. Some poster said that he knows people who go to Crawford that believe that.

    I've known some "crackpots" at just about every Traditional chapel I've ever been to, and met a number of Motarian ones as well ... so who knows?  Sometimes with a small congregation, it just takes a few to give the impression of some serious imbalance, and it may or may not emanate from the priest in any way.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2023, 05:20:12 PM »
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  • Worth pointing out that no one quoted above claimed Crawford teaches that pink is evil, or that one cannot read Catholic books. Some poster said that he knows people who go to Crawford that believe that.
    With the effect of smearing everyone there with guilt by association, yeah... For all we know the rest of the people think that guy is a nut job as well and maybe Crawford too. I don't know, you don't know, we don't know. I know next to nothing about this guy. What I do know is whoever was subcribing to this insanity long enough to have all this info, questions the Thuc line and calls Feeney a cult leader is not credible.

    My takeaway until more credible and full-fledged accounts surface is that Crawford's chapel very likely has a sect-like mentality, is scrupulous and has weird people. Not unique problems by a long shot.

    A lot of SSPX-ers run from sedes like we're going to eat them for breakfast and nobody's making a fuss about that. There's a thread live right now about Fellay being prophesied as the saviour of the Church. Where's the outrage at the "insane Lefebvrite sect"?

    If all the allegations turn out true it would would amount to a difference in degree, not kind, of behaviour found in most traditionalist sects.

    I'd definitely be careful about going to Crawford, probably wouldn't go at all, but again, from what's been said so far no definite conclusions to be made.

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    Re: Father Crawford's Chapel
    « Reply #14 on: July 05, 2023, 05:21:33 PM »
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  • I encourage the OP to tell us what are the shenanigans specifically so everyone can know to stay away from a crazy cult if that's what it is.