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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #125 on: September 15, 2020, 08:00:25 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on September 15, 2020, 07:53:24 AM
You asked: "Stated differently: weren't the OT saints justified by something meeting the definition of an "implicit" baptism of desire?"

I explained why BOD was not applicable. You complained. I explained it again in excruciating detail. You complained. And now you're getting all snarky and pretending I ignored your post because you can't even bloody remember what you said.

I didn't care to answer how the OT Fathers were justified(which they weren't in the proper sense - they weren't "saved" until centuries/millennia after death); they're completely bloody irrelevant to the question of BOD, as I've explained multiple times now.

Next time you want to get all snarky and play the wise guy, maybe try remembering your own words before you paint yourself like even more of an idiot.

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I didn't care to answer how the OT Fathers were justified

Right. You didn't answer the question. Glad that's done. 


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they're completely bloody irrelevant to the question of BOD, as I've explained multiple times now.

Not when the question turns on St. Alphonsus's definition, which I quoted and referred to in posing the question. 

Hopefully we're done, and I'll discuss the issue with others who want to address the question. 

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #126 on: September 15, 2020, 08:02:20 AM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on September 15, 2020, 08:00:25 AM
Right. You didn't answer the question. Glad that's done.


Not when the question turns on St. Alphonsus's definition, which I quoted and referred to in posing the question.

Hopefully we're done, and I'll discuss the issue with others who want to address the question.

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"Stated differently: weren't the OT saints justified by something meeting the definition of an "implicit" baptism of desire?"
Three times I've answered this question.

Not my fault you can neither read nor remember your own words.

Of course the problem is not that I "didn't answer the question", which I have three times now. The problem is that I haven't given you the answer you want: that Baptism of Desire somehow saved souls before either salvation or baptism was a thing.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #127 on: September 15, 2020, 08:03:37 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on September 15, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
By worshiping God, believing in a redeemer to come and living a moral life.

Thank you, Stubborn.

I'll quote your response and continue with this issue in the other thread where more appropriate.

Or it might be better to start a new topic. 

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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #128 on: September 15, 2020, 08:08:42 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on September 15, 2020, 08:02:20 AM
Three times I've answered this question.

Not my fault you can neither read nor remember your own words.

Of course the problem is not that I "didn't answer the question", which I have three times now. The problem is that I haven't given you the answer you want: that Baptism of Desire somehow saved souls before either salvation or baptism were a thing.
You keeping digging a bigger hole in an attempt to justify yourself. 

There was a time when salvation wasn't a thing? Please. 

And to be saved, man always had to be justified by the grace of God.

Let's take this elsewhere. I'll start a new thread. 

I'll end this here with: Father Cekada, pray for us. 
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