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Author Topic: Father Cekada Dying  (Read 12867 times)

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Offline Yeti

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #105 on: September 14, 2020, 01:20:08 PM »
Honestly if I were a Sede I'd probably think they were a plant to made my position look bad.
Yes, my friend. Yes, yes, and again yes.
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But as it is, I tend to think they're just quasi laypeople who jumped on muh plain meaning of Florence and decided to anathematize everyone over it.

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #106 on: September 14, 2020, 01:26:45 PM »
Saint Alphonsus: “ Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, “de presbytero non baptizato” and of the Council of Trent, session 6, Chapter 4 where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.” ”
Trent does not say the above, you have misquoted Trent.

Session 6, Chapter 4 speaks of justification, not salvation. Nowhere does Trent ever say that a desire of any kind saves.

                                                                           CHAPTER IV.
A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.

"By which words, a description of the Justification of the impious is indicated, as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God".


Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #107 on: September 14, 2020, 01:34:32 PM »
Trent does not say the above, you have misquoted Trent.

Session 6, Chapter 4 speaks of justification, not salvation. Nowhere does Trent ever say that a desire of any kind saves.

                                                                           CHAPTER IV.
A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.

"By which words, a description of the Justification of the impious is indicated, as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God".

Only for the warped Feeneyite mind is the destiny of one who dies justified possibly different than the destiny of one who has achieved salvation.

The Feeneyite heretics reason that one who dies justified, but not water baptized, is either in hell (damned despite being in the state of grace), or in a fictitious place called the “limbo of the unbaptized justified.”

It doesn’t get any dumber than that!

Offline Yeti

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #108 on: September 14, 2020, 01:40:42 PM »
Trent does not say the above, you have misquoted Trent.
Those were the words of St. Alphonsus that QvD was quoting, not Trent directly. If that's a misquotation, it's St. Alphonsus's misquotation.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #109 on: September 14, 2020, 01:42:00 PM »
Only for the warped Feeneyite mind is the destiny of one who dies justified possibly different than the destiny of one who has achieved salvation.

The Feeneyite heretics reason that one who dies justified, but not water baptized, is either in hell (damned despite being in the state of grace), or in a fictitious place called the “limbo of the unbaptized justified.”

It doesn’t get any dumber than that!
Sean, in order to understand what Trent is saying there, you need to read what Trent actually says there. 

"And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, [Justification] cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God".