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Offline Ladislaus

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False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
« on: August 10, 2022, 04:22:10 PM »
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  • Since a lot of Traditional Catholics even seem to be influenced by false (either fraudulent or diabolical visions), I think it might be good to start a thread on "visions," "private revelations," and "miracles" that have been proven fake.

    I'll start with Judiel Nieva:



    Look, everyone, a Eucharistic miracle!  NO must be valid ... and even pleasing to God.

    This guy had everyone fooled, and for one of his pre-announced visions had a crowd of a million people present, including many priests, and even a bishop.  It was later discovered that the family was raking in big profits from the whole thing and "Judiel" was acting out as a tranny.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiel_Nieva

    Notice that this article calls him a "she"/"her" (because he came out as a "she").

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    Nieva is the seventh of eight children. Her parents Pedro and Julia Nieva sold goods out of two stalls which they operated in the local market. Even as a young child, Nieva was believed to have special powers and was sought out as a healer.

    Nieva claimed to have begun seeing visions of the Virgin Mary in 1987 when she was only 10 years old. On March 31, 1989, she reported that the first of several public apparitions, in which she claimed to have seen a bright light, then heard voices and the sounds of trumpets while angels descended from heaven towards her singing "Allelulia" and "Salve Regina".

    The Holy Family next appeared on a cloud, St. Joseph holding a shepherd's staff and the Virgin Mary sitting on a rock holding the baby Jesus on her lap.

    The description of the Blessed Virgin Mary according to Nieva's personalized statue is distinct. The Virgin Mary wears a long white tunic, and stands atop a (Guava) tree resting on a cloud decorated with seven roses. The virgin has a six-pointed star on the forehead, and has a "Sailor knot" featuring a tassel and a golden chain ball hanging from her chest.

    The Marian title associated with the weeping statue later became known as "Our Lady of Agoo, Immaculate Queen of Heaven and Earth" and features seven roses atop a cloud where the virgin stands.

    The public was initially inclined to believe Nieva's claims. On March 6, 1993, during a "manifestation" on "Apparition Hill", an estimated one million people gathered to witness a "visitation" from the Virgin Mary. Numerous government officials, media personalities and even a Catholic bishop attested to the veracity of these events.

    In 1993, a theological commission established by Bishop Salvador Lazo, Lazo condemned the aforementioned events as Constat de Non Supernaturalitate (Latin, "clearly evident to be not supernatural"). Accounts reported in the news media regarding the financial corruption of the discredited seer's family and her own transsɛҳuąƖism were seen as proof of this finding.

    The statue was reported to have wept tears of blood on three separate occasions.

    In 2003, Nieva, who now calls herself by the screen name "Angel dela Vega", starred in a film entitled "Siklo". In the film, she plays a woman who falls in love with her neighbor.



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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2022, 04:42:33 PM »
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  • There’s even some speculation on the Garabandal apparitions. We all can do our own digging into the matter.

    What about Faustina Kowalska? A nun and “mystic” reported of having apparitions with Our Lord. However, things said by Him were not in accordance with the teaching of the Church. Why do I recall, in her reports, that Christ said confession was not necessary?? I could be mistaken, but there was something similar to that. John Paul II canonized this nun and even he was canonized later. Some say these canonizations are invalid. 

    I have even heard that praying the Divine Mercy chaplet (which has come  from the reports of Faustina) is actually demonic. Were her reports condemned by the Church? Correct me if I’m wrong. 
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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2022, 04:50:36 PM »
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  • Then of course there's this famous case here --
    https://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html

    Devil even faked a "virgin birth" with her, and countless "miracles".

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2022, 04:51:57 PM »
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  • There’s even some speculation on the Garabandal apparitions. We all can do our own digging into the matter.

    What about Faustina Kowalska? A nun and “mystic” reported of having apparitions with Our Lord. However, things said by Him were not in accordance with the teaching of the Church. Why do I recall, in her reports, that Christ said confession was not necessary?? I could be mistaken, but there was something similar to that. John Paul II canonized this nun and even he was canonized later. Some say these canonizations are invalid.

    I have even heard that praying the Divine Mercy chaplet (which has come  from the reports of Faustina) is actually demonic. Were her reports condemned by the Church? Correct me if I’m wrong.

    I agree that both Garabandal and Divine Mercy were fakes as well, the former diabolical, that latter perhaps from a psychologically troubled woman or else diabolical as well.  I'm focused myself mostly on the proven frauds.

    Just because people think they see "miracles" does NOT mean that it's from God and that you can prove anything from them.

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #5 on: August 10, 2022, 04:55:25 PM »
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  • What about Faustina Kowalska? A nun and “mystic” reported of having apparitions with Our Lord. However, things said by Him were not in accordance with the teaching of the Church. Why do I recall, in her reports, that Christ said confession was not necessary?? I could be mistaken, but there was something similar to that. John Paul II canonized this nun and even he was canonized later. Some say these canonizations are invalid.

    I have even heard that praying the Divine Mercy chaplet (which has come  from the reports of Faustina) is actually demonic. Were her reports condemned by the Church? Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Her work was condemned by the Holy Office twice, once under Pope Pius XII and again under Antipope John XXIII. I've read the journal myself, and there's a lot of weird things in there that are unbecoming of a genuine mystic. In particular, there's the weird incident where the Host jumps out of the Tabernacle and places Itself in her hands, almost implying that Communion in the hand is acceptable.

    The one that really stood out to me, though, was early on in the journal the circuмstances surrounding her entrance into the Convent. Her parents expressly forbade her from entering, yet she disobeyed them (still being under their charge) and entered anyway. This is in contradistinction to the Saint that Sr. Faustina (and the Divine Mercy "devotion") tends to mirror: St. Margaret Mary Alacoque. St. Margaret Mary not only obeyed the whims of her ill mother on refusing her entry into a Convent, but also obeyed the will of her brother once she was put under his charge. It was only when she was given the go-ahead by her brother that she was permitted to enter the Convent. We all know God loves obedience to lawful superiors, so for Sr. Faustina to open her religious life on the grounds of disobedience is a big red flag for me.

    Another such issue are the very weird appeals to pride made by the "apparitions" of Our Lord to Sr. Faustina. Namely, how "He" stated to her: "I am uniting myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.” An extremely odd thing to say, given that the Incarnation through the Blessed Virgin is the most intimate union possible between God and Man. Not only that, but Sr. Faustina was lamenting that her Convent did not have its own saint, with "Our Lord" replying: "Don’t cry.  You are that saint." If you're at all familiar with Saints and their visions of Our Lord, He doesn't say things like this to them. At all. He typically will reiterate to them their own nothingness in order to crush any lingering pride in their souls and foster humility. He did this repeatedly to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque.

    Lastly, the mere fact that this "Devotion" promises what basically amounts to a second baptism on "Divine Mercy Sunday" is scandalous. And the emphasis it lays on the Mercy of God has opened a door within the Novus Ordo to the all-encompassing ecuмenism and religious indifferentism through these appeals to God's Mercy. It has all but eclipsed the Sacred Heart devotion with its practice and promises within the Novus Ordo. And, in my opinion, appears to be wholly demonic and instrumental of the new false religion.

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm
    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/sr-faustina-divine-mercy-chaplet/
    https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/the-divine-mercy-devotion-why-did-the-holy-office-ban-it/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #6 on: August 10, 2022, 05:06:06 PM »
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  • We had XavierNishantSem promoting this one here:
    https://www.holylove.org/mission/visionary/

    Among other problems, this married woman was having an affair (and eventually divorced and got married to) a man who's been her supporter and business partner ... partly because her actual husband never bought into her visions.

    https://www.clevescene.com/news/blessed-other-1472603

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2022, 05:08:45 PM »
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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2022, 05:10:57 PM »
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  • The way to spot a false mystic is also to check their enthusiasm for the "visions" or apparitions. Many of the legitimate ones had to be commanded by a superior to speak about it out of obedience, and those with bodily miracles, like Padre Pio, were embarrassed by them and saw them as a burden.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #9 on: August 10, 2022, 07:36:06 PM »
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  • The way to spot a false mystic is also to check their enthusiasm for the "visions" or apparitions. Many of the legitimate ones had to be commanded by a superior to speak about it out of obedience, and those with bodily miracles, like Padre Pio, were embarrassed by them and saw them as a burden.

    Yes, that's a good rule of thumb for sure.

    In general, my main point is that the devil can EASILY simulate nearly every "miracle".  He can work Eucharistic "miracles" through sleight of hand, where he can almost instantly transport and apply some blood ... or even quickly swap out part of the host for human heart muscle.  This would be a trivial operation for the devil.  Heck, in the case of Sister Magdalena of the Cross, the devil even simulated a virgin birth.  He could simulate healings simply by his angelic knowledge of human physiology or else by mechanically supplying for something that's defective.  If someone was a cripple, he could likely repair the damage done to the spinal cord or, worst case, diabolically assist the person in walking.  Devil can even foretell the future.  Apparently he did that through Sister Magdalena also (predicting when a certain person would die).  He can do a lot of highly-educated analysis.  He may see that a certain person has a heart defect and can probably predict to the day when the person will die.  He also has inside knowledge of various events that might be underway, various plots being hatched, including those that he and his minions might be putting into motion, and he can do an analysis regarding the most likely outcome of a confluence of factors that only an angelic intellect could pull off.  He could simulate exorcisms by simply leaving of his own volition or else laying low and going dormant / quiet.  There's almost nothing that he can't simulate.

    Also, we sometimes forget the power of holy water, blessed religious articles (e.g. St. Benedict's crosses,), etc.  Probably one of the first things I'd do to someone who was performing supernatural feats would be to sprinkle / douse them with holy water.  There was a wise older priest who first began to expose Sister Magdalena by using holy water and piercing her with a needle covered with holy water.

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2022, 08:04:31 PM »
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  • He can work Eucharistic "miracles" through sleight of hand, where he can almost instantly transport and apply some blood ... or even quickly swap out part of the host for human heart muscle.  This would be a trivial operation for the devil. r.
    I don't believe for one minute the devil can alter or manipulate the Body, Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in a consecrated Host.

    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #11 on: August 10, 2022, 08:13:47 PM »
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  • I don't believe for one minute the devil can alter or manipulate the Body, Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in a consecrated Host.
    Yes. I agree. Which is why all of the Novus Ordo Eucharistic "miracles" are false. Because what's offered there is certainly NOT the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2022, 08:55:01 PM »
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  • The condemned apparitions of Veronica Lueken at Bayside, NY. One of the most ridiculous false apparitions I’ve ever come across. 

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    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2022, 10:00:09 PM »
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  • Yes. I agree. Which is why all of the Novus Ordo Eucharistic "miracles" are false. Because what's offered there is certainly NOT the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
    Not so fast.  If a validly ordained priest uses the proper matter, form and intent during a NO ceremony, It is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: False "Visions", "Private Revelations", and "Miracles"
    « Reply #14 on: August 11, 2022, 12:01:57 AM »
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  • We had XavierNishantSem promoting this one here:
    https://www.holylove.org/mission/visionary/

    Among other problems, this married woman was having an affair (and eventually divorced and got married to) a man who's been her supporter and business partner ... partly because her actual husband never bought into her visions.

    https://www.clevescene.com/news/blessed-other-1472603
    That one is very clearly bunk. It's really quite sad how many Catholics get roped into these fake visions and revelations.
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