To follow up on the "he who hears" topic, I just wanted to bring up the subject of Catholics who seem to hear a voice that puts them in conflict with the visible Church.  I guess that is what the narrow road is all about, being able to plow through an ocean full of incincerity, hypocrisy and superstition. Like I said before, we as Catholics have a very bad habit of trashing good people in one way or another.
 

    Let's start the list with George hαɾɾιson.  Here is a tribute video that has a Christian message.


George hαɾɾιson Tribute - Beware of Darkness



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George hαɾɾιson- P2 Vatican Blues with Lyrics

 ( No doubt he is being a smart ass here. )



Gazed at the ceiling from below
A splendid Michelangelo
Filled my heart with delight
Last Saturday night

Arrived believing from home
Climbed every step inside St. Peter's Dome
Claustrophobic and ex-Catholic
Last Saturday night

Now how come nobody really noticed
Puff of white smoke knocked me out
The truth is hiding, lurking, banking
Things they do at night

It's quite suspicious to say the least
Even mentioned it to my local priest
One Our Father, three Hail Marys
Each Saturday Night

I wish somebody would tell me
That it's only a show
I'll confess, own up, let's bface it
In my concrete tuxedo

It's quite suspicious to say the least
While mentioning it to my priest
One Our Father, three Hail Marys
Each Saturday night

One Our Father three Hail Marys
Each Saturday night
One Our Father three Hail Marys
Each Saturday night

Classiccom said:
[/quote]Like I said before, we as Catholics have a very bad habit of trashing good people in one way or another.

What defines 'good people"?  George hαɾɾιson, despite his glowing tribute, doesn't fall in that category in my book.  That doesn't mean that I am trashing him, but I don't think it inappopriate to have a negative opinion of someone who was part of a group that was against Catholicism. Free love and brotherhood! HA! It's all part of the "feel good" baloney from the sixties and seventies and that is exactly why I left the Novus Ordo.

Classiccom,

1. I am not sure how the thread title and/or subtitle relates to the thread-beginning post itself.  What 'fallen heroes'?  What 'spiritual autopsy'?

2. Although the V2 sect is quite visible, it is also, quite obviously, not Catholic.  That is why people like us do what we do, and why sites like this exist at all.  Opposition to this highly-visible, but obviously non-Catholic church is meritorious.

3. Are you trying to say George hαɾɾιson is a 'good guy', and that I ought to feel contrition for the fact that someone else might have uttered some out-of-line comment about him at some point in time?  Is he a 'fallen hero' of Catholics who are struggling to survive the most severe onslaught of hell in the history of the world?

4. Please clarify your intent, etc., as I have NO IDEA what this thread is about, where it is going, intended to go, etc.

from Wikipedia

Monty Python's Life of Brian, also known as The Life of Brian, is a 1979 comedy film written, directed and largely performed by the Monty Python comedy team. It tells the story of Brian Cohen (played by Graham Chapman), a young Jєωιѕн man born in the same era and location as Jesus Christ, who is mistaken for the Messiah.

The film's combination of comedy and religious themes was controversial, particularly on its initial release. However, it has regularly been cited as possibly the greatest comedy film of all time:...................................................

One of the most controversial scenes was the film's ending: Brian's crucifixion. Many Christian protestors said that it was mocking Jesus's suffering by turning it into a "Jolly Boys Outing" (such as when Mr Cheeky turns to Brian and says: "See, It's not so bad when you get up here"), capped by Brian's fellow sufferers suddenly bursting into song;...............................................................

The film would not have been made without former Beatle and Python fan George hαɾɾιson, who set up Handmade Films to help fund it at a cost of £3 million (a move later described by Eric Idle as the "world's most expensive cinema ticket"). The original backers, EMI Films, had been scared off at the last minute by the subject matter, particularly Bernard, Lord Delfont. As a result, the very last words in the film are: "I said to him, 'Bernie, we'll never make our money back on this one'", teasing Delfont for his lack of faith in the project.

After reading your post I was mystified - you are Catholic aren't you?  But thinking it over I guess that you believe that despite the fact that other religions are not the true religion there are elements of truth in them? hence, people associated with that religion and are do-gooders  should be given a "huzzah!"?  Because there is nothing wrong with rejecting the faith and spreading Eastern spiritual beliefs?

If you are Catholic and you believe that God gives each man grace unto his salvation than you also have to believe that  up until his death he rejected the true religion. - Not only rejected it but promulgated a false religion instead.  Just because someone has a statue of Blessed Mother doesn't make them a good person - or even if they give a lot of money to charitable organizations. The most philanthropic people have been the freemasons - and they are definitely not good people!

Its great that people are nice, philanthropic, and (in the eyes of the world good) but in the grand scheme of things,  if you don't heed the call, you might as well have been a murderer.  Hell is hell.  Of course we can't know where he went to spend etenity, but all the evidence you give certainly does not convince me of his "goodness."  And actually if he was baptized that puts him in the category of heretic, which sin is actually worse than murder, so...yeah, definitely not good.

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gladius_veritatis
The Wise
1. I am not sure how the thread title and/or subtitle relates to the thread-beginning post itself. What 'fallen heroes'? What 'spiritual autopsy'?

2. Although the V2 sect is quite visible, it is also, quite obviously, not Catholic. That is why people like us do what we do, and why sites like this exist at all. Opposition to this highly-visible, but obviously non-Catholic church is meritorious.

3. Are you trying to say George hαɾɾιson is a 'good guy', and that I ought to feel contrition for the fact that someone else might have uttered some out-of-line comment about him at some point in time? Is he a 'fallen hero' of Catholics who are struggling to survive the most severe onslaught of hell in the history of the world?

4. Please clarify your intent, etc., as I have NO IDEA what this thread is about, where it is going, intended to go, etc.
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      I lament the horrendous  number of souls lost in this period of great apostasy. I was hoping this could be a free form way of dissecting the possible reasons people  feel driven away from the Church and thus loosing their soul.

       The Good Lord said he would spew out the luke warm. I think hαɾɾιson had the same temperment.  McCartney said George did not suffer fools lightly, so I am sure he could not deal with the inconsistencies in the Vatican I and Vatican II church.

      As for sensing a "goodness" to hαɾɾιson, that was probably a hαɾɾιson family history trait.

"During the reign of Oliver Cromwell when they refused to renounce their Catholic beliefs so they were stripped of its castle and land. Thrown into poverty life of toiling on the land, which continued for 300 years.

50 years before George began a career; his Irish forebears still lived a humble peasant life on a tiny farm at Corah, County Wexford"  (previous quoted)

 Also mentioned "God Not Fortune" was the hαɾɾιson family motto.

      I can understand Gladius' displeasure with the term hero, especially someone who rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I still regard hαɾɾιson as one who attempted to find the truth, but was deceived by the snares of the devil. But at least hαɾɾιson tried as opposed to most lukewarm "christians"

Classiccom
 

Here is Infallible Constitution of Holy Church(1870)

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and #6

Could Classicom point out the 'inconsistancies' in this set beliefs that are written in stone( rock of St Peter).

I highly doubt G hαɾɾιson had a comprehension of the Roman Catholic Church.

My grandfathers bro was a Catholic priest and in the 1960's he had no idea of what was going on in the Church. As a 14 yr old in 1964, the only thing I ever heard anyone in my family talk about was that women could now wear pants to Church. Sen McCarthy had a defective 'catholic' education also in the 1930's and this it is that leads to his downfall.

A defective chuch goes back to Ben 15 IMO with a rebound in the person of Pius XI although he could only do so much.