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Offline poche

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Fake News
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:29:23 AM »
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  • Pope Francis condemned “fake news” and called for a “journalism of peace” in his message for the World Day of Social Communications.
    The Pope said that false news-which he described as “disinformation online or in the traditional media”-serves partisan political purposes. Fake news, he said, builds upon “stereotypes and common social prejudices.” He argued that in the internet era, the development of “homogenous digital environments” contributes to a situation in which inaccurate reports are not corrected or challenged.
    The Pope’s message is entitled “The truth will set you free: fake news and journalism for peace.” The World Day of Social Communications will be observed on May 13. But the Pope’s message for that occasion is traditionally made public on January 24, the feast of St. Francis de Sales, the patron of journalists.
    In his message the Pope said: “The tragedy of disinformation is that it discredits others, presenting them as enemies, to the point of demonizing them and fomenting conflict.” He decried the use of “falsehoods, rhetorical slogans, and sensational headlines” to suit partisan purposes, and said that conscientious journalists should pursue an “education for truth.”
    “Amid feeding frenzies and the mad rush for a scoop, they must remember that the heart of information is not the speed with which it is reported or its audience impact, but persons,” the Pontiff said. He urged reporters to be “less concentrated on breaking news than on exploring the underlying causes of conflicts.”
    Pope Francis even argued that some journalistic reports can be classified as “fake news” even when they are true. He wrote:
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    An impeccable argument can indeed rest on undeniable facts, but if it is used to hurt another and to discredit that person in the eyes of others, however correct it may appear, it is not truthful.
    The papal message called for efforts by government and media outlets to weed out false news:
    In a break from its usual practice, the Vatican did not schedule a press conference to introduce the papal text. But Msgr. Dario Edoardo Vigano, the head of the Secretariat for Communications, reflected on the Pope’s message in an interview posted on the Vatican’s web site.
    “False news is the result of prejudice and an inability to listen,” Msgr. Vigano said. “The dramatic effectiveness of this kind of content lies precisely in disguising its own falsehood, in appearing to be plausible to some…“

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=35126

    It looks like Pope Francis has something in common with Donald Trump. 


    Offline AlligatorDicax

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    Nonsense/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 03:01:07 AM »
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  • An impeccable argument can indeed rest on undeniable facts, but if it is used to hurt another and to discredit that person in the eyes of others, however correct it may appear, it is not truthful.

    An absolutely nonsensical modernist idea.  Truth does not depend for its validity on whether it hurts or discredits "another", whether that's former Pres. Richard Nixon, losing presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, or a pedophile-accomodating modernist "Bishop of Rome" (ahem!) who reeks of heresy.

    It looks like Pope Francis has something in common with Donald Trump.

    Non sequitur:

    "Pope Francis" has repeatedly put himself on the public record with statements and actions that are at odds with the Catholic "Faith of Our Fathers".  Including his determination that parishes "welcome" professed sodomites, his numerous expressions of friendship toward Protestants, Muslim infidels, and even massive illegal immigration, while repeatedly making statements of hostility to traditional Catholics, and gaslighting victims of pedophilia that was perpetrated by Catholic priests and bishops.  There's plenty that would qualify as "undeniable facts".

    Whereas the U.S. mainstream media campaign of "fake news" against President (ahem!) Donald Trump is based on a year of promotion of undeniably unproven accusations about "collusion with Russia".  While stubbornly ignoring the crimes of his opponent, who, widely expected to be the victor, was expected to shield her insider-supporters from convictions for the federal crimes they commited on her behalf, for which there are abundant undeniable facts as widely unreported evidence.

    But let's not forget that this CathInfo (sub)forum is about the "Crisis in the Church", not U.S. civil politics.


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    Re: Nonsense/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #2 on: January 26, 2018, 05:58:45 AM »
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  • An absolutely nonsensical modernist idea.  Truth does not depend for its validity on whether it hurts or discredits "another", whether that's former Pres. Richard Nixon, losing presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, or a pedophile-accomodating modernist "Bishop of Rome" (ahem!) who reeks of heresy.

    Non sequitur:

    "Pope Francis" has repeatedly put himself on the public record with statements and actions that are at odds with the Catholic "Faith of Our Fathers".  Including his determination that parishes "welcome" professed sodomites, his numerous expressions of friendship toward Protestants, Muslim infidels, and even massive illegal immigration, while repeatedly making statements of hostility to traditional Catholics, and gaslighting victims of pedophilia that was perpetrated by Catholic priests and bishops.  There's plenty that would qualify as "undeniable facts".

    Whereas the U.S. mainstream media campaign of "fake news" against President (ahem!) Donald Trump is based on a year of promotion of undeniably unproven accusations about "collusion with Russia".  While stubbornly ignoring the crimes of his opponent, who, widely expected to be the victor, was expected to shield her insider-supporters from convictions for the federal crimes they commited on her behalf, for which there are abundant undeniable facts as widely unreported evidence.

    But let's not forget that this CathInfo (sub)forum is about the "Crisis in the Church", not U.S. civil politics.
    Detraction is still a sin.

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    Re: Nonsense/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 06:18:52 AM »
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  • Detraction is still a sin.
    That would be a good thing to say and to teach.  But people are not going to learn anything about the sin of detraction from 
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    An impeccable argument can indeed rest on undeniable facts, but if it is used to hurt another and to discredit that person in the eyes of others, however correct it may appear, it is not truthful.
    This is a confusing misuse of language.  It does not explain what detraction is or why it is wrong.  All this does is treat "truth" as something subjective.  It is an indefensible statement and you should not be defending it.

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    Re: Fake News
    « Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 07:54:25 AM »
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    The papal message called for efforts by government and media outlets to weed out false news:
    His solutions always involve existing governments, like the UN. Government is run by the people who put out the fake news. This speech is just a guise for totalitarian NWO One World Government control over the news.

    Bergolio is the head of religious fake teachings.

    Rat poison is 99% nutritious food. Keep that in mind when Bergolio says anything that makes sense, if he fed people poison all the time no one would listen to him. Bergolio is nowhere near 99% nutritious food, so it is striking that Catholics listen to anything he says. Whether the poison is 1% as in rat poison or 60% as in Bergolio, it'll kill you just the same.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Fake News
    « Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 10:14:37 AM »
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  • "That's why the Creator told Adam and Eve to eat of every tree that is in the garden, except that of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! You see, if someone gives you a glass of pure crystal clear sweet water, that's good. But if you put a few drops of poison into it, that's bad. And the bad makes the whole thing bad. And therefore the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is all bad, because poison will kill you, it takes time. Good and evil mixed together is not good, it is sinful.
    You cannot take something unclean and mix it with the clean, and call it clean; it becomes unclean and remains unclean." (Matthew 23:25-26).


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    Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #6 on: January 26, 2018, 12:18:32 PM »
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  • "[....] You cannot take something unclean and mix it with the clean, and call it clean; it becomes unclean and remains unclean."
    (Matthew 23:25-26).

    Yea, in like manner: You cannot take many words that were unwritten by a cited Evangelist and enclose all of those words in quotation marks.

    In the New-Testament verses you cite, there is absolutely no mention of any "Creator",  nor "tree" or "garden",  nor of "pure crystal clear sweet water",  nor of "poison" (per se) nor of miniscule quantities.  Here's genuine Catholic text:

    Quote from: Matthew 23:25--26 (DRBO.org Vulgate+Challoner)
    [25] Vae vobis scribae et pharisaei hypocritae, quia mundatis quod deforis est calicis et paropsidis; intus autem pleni estis rapina et immunditia!

    Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.

    [26] Pharisaee caece, munda prius quod intus est calicis, et paropsidis, ut fiat id, quod deforis est, mundum.

    Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. [†]

    Especially if you had the benefit of being taught by nuns in the "good ole days" of parochial schools, you ought to have learned when it's simply wrong to use quotation marks.  So where did you get the text you quoted?  Some book that might be titled something like Mr. Rogers Teaches More-or-Less the Gospels of the Evangelists (publication made possible through the corporate generosity of Perrier and Schweppes)?

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    Note †: "Gospel According to Saint Matthew", chap. 23.  "Douay-Rheims Bible + Latin Vulgate": <http://drbo.org/drl/chapter/47023.htm>.

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    Re: Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 12:48:30 PM »
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  • Yea, in like manner: You cannot take many words that were unwritten by a cited Evangelist and enclose all of those words in quotation marks.

    In the New-Testament verses you cite, there is absolutely no mention of any "Creator",  nor "tree" or "garden",  nor of "pure crystal clear sweet water",  nor of "poison" (per se) nor of miniscule quantities.  Here's genuine Catholic text:

    Especially if you had the benefit of being taught by nuns in the "good ole days" of parochial schools, you ought to have learned when it's simply wrong to use quotation marks.  So where did you get the text you quoted?  Some book that might be titled something like Mr. Rogers Teaches More-or-Less the Gospels of the Evangelists (publication made possible through the corporate generosity of Perrier and Schweppes)?

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    Note †: "Gospel According to Saint Matthew", chap. 23.  "Douay-Rheims Bible + Latin Vulgate": <http://drbo.org/drl/chapter/47023.htm>.
    So where did you get the text you quoted?

    Fair question, sorry I didn't  post it.

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    Re: Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 01:32:52 PM »
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  • So where did you get the text you quoted?

    Fair question, sorry I didn't  post it.

    See here


    About the author see here:  click
    It looks like the author is a heretic and the site looked heretical too.  It's probably not a good place to be getting quotes from.

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    Re: Fake News
    « Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 01:48:38 PM »
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  • I think it was Pius IX who said if you take a bottle of the finest wine and add one drop of poison, it'll kill you just the same.

    Personally, I like the rat poison analogy, since it is in fact 99% nutritious food .

    Meanwhile, the Vatican II church is more like 40% poison, maybe even more, so it is not even close. 
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 02:38:03 PM »
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  • It looks like the author is a heretic and the site looked heretical too.  It's probably not a good place to be getting quotes from.
    The so-called pope is also heretical and many Catholic not only listen, quote, and defend him.
    Jaynek I learned a long time ago not to look so much at the messenger but listen to the message and pray for discernment.
    I find much of what he said to be very well stated.  
    What exactly was a problem for you if I can ask?  I would appreciate your insight since I regard you highly.    
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    Re: Fake News
    « Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 02:39:52 PM »
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  • I think it was Pius IX who said if you take a bottle of the finest wine and add one drop of poison, it'll kill you just the same.

    Personally, I like the rat poison analogy, since it is in fact 99% nutritious food .

    Meanwhile, the Vatican II church is more like 40% poison, maybe even more, so it is not even close.
    Me too!
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    Re: Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 03:06:25 PM »
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  • What exactly was a problem for you if I can ask? 
    I followed the link from the article you quoted to the blog's "who we are" page and it had various statements which showed they accepted the sola Scriptura heresy.  For example:
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    We agree unconditionally with God's Word in the Holy Scriptures, even when we don't like it. If the Word of God shatters cherished beliefs then we are willing to be shattered, no matter how painful it is. God's truth is more important to us than personal belief, and loyalty to that truth more important than loyalty to traditions and the commandments of men.
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    What are our Articles, Creeds, and Confessions of Faith? We have none, and we do not follow any. Articles, Creeds, and Confessions of Faith alike fail to give us this full knowledge of God which is so essential to our faith and walk. They are only man’s impressions, inferences, and conclusions drawn from Scripture; and have themselves to be judged by Scripture. Whatever of truth there may be in them, or however useful, they can never take the place of the Word of God. Only the Living Word, and in the pages of the written Word, can we get to know God.
    The site you linked to promoted the heresy of Judaizing.  Its description line is "A resource for the Hebrew obeying God and keeping his commandments."  There were articles listed like: "The Sabbath day is still the seventh day, why should I care" and the author refers to himself as a "practicing Hebrew."

    While it is possible to find true things written by heretics, if one digs through their writings carefully, it does not seem worth the time and effort.  There is a treasury of writings by Catholic Saints and traditional authors who are more worthwhile.

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    Re: Fake News
    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2018, 03:10:32 PM »
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    The World Day of Social Communications will be observed on May 13. But the Pope’s message for that occasion is traditionally made public on January 24, the feast of St. Francis de Sales, the patron of journalists.
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    Looks like a stab at obscuring Fatima - May 13th is the day of the first apparition.
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    This way he gets to snatch the spotlight twice with the same message.
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    Re: Fake Scripture/Re: Fake News
    « Reply #14 on: January 26, 2018, 04:05:38 PM »
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  • I followed the link from the article you quoted to the blog's "who we are" page and it had various statements which showed they accepted the sola Scriptura heresy.  For example:andThe site you linked to promoted the heresy of Judaizing.  Its description line is "A resource for the Hebrew obeying God and keeping his commandments."  There were articles listed like: "The Sabbath day is still the seventh day, why should I care" and the author refers to himself as a "practicing Hebrew."

    While it is possible to find true things written by heretics, if one digs through their writings carefully, it does not seem worth the time and effort.  There is a treasury of writings by Catholic Saints and traditional authors who are more worthwhile.
    Thank you for your reply; we all do things differently don't we?  I do read what other faiths have to say, and pick out the facts that they obtained through the Catholic Church and remind them of that!  I remember learning that anything good from the Protestant religion came from the Catholic Bible.
    I found that site while searching on the Internet about the so-called flat earth, I noticed that quote and thought it was very interesting and remembered it.  I don't think it deserved a thumb down, but again we are all so different and see things and read into things.

    In truth I never even went into the "who we are" page, you truly scanned it better than I.  
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