Author Topic: Exorcisms By Traditional Priests (Read 10634 times)

Alexandria · « **on:** June 17, 2010, 12:22:55 PM »

On another thread, Elizabeth brought up a very good question which no one answered.

It is my understanding that for an exorcism to be successful, the exorcist must have the permission of the local bishop. According to many books about this subject that I have read and tapes I have listened to, it is important to the resident demon(s) as well, as they mock and taunt a priest if he doesn't have this permission. This would make sense, since what got satan into his mess is his "non serviam."

Has anyone here ever heard of an SSPX or sedevacantist priest that successfully performed an exorcism without the permission of the official bishop of the diocese that they have their chapel in?

Belloc · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2010, 12:29:19 PM »

SSPX would have bishops to grant, no?

and some SV reportto one, no?

I too would like to see any stories, this would be interesting. Fr.AMorth basically has said the new rite of exorcism is crappola

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2010, 12:54:42 PM »

Thank you Alexandria - I have been asking this question for years.

In my long experience of asking this question, there is never an answer.

Everything I have read/heard supports the dire need for the authority of the Church in order for the Rite to be confected.

It appears that the really stupid demons may be cast out by amateurs or almost anybody. But that leaves millions of intelligent demons

I seriously doubt there have been any successful SV exorcisms, but as ever I would love to know some facts.

Belloc · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2010, 12:58:46 PM »

SV exorcisms-depends on your position on SV. The orders of priest/bishop were valid, but one wonders what Satan thinks.....if you think SV is correct and have evidence of success vs those who disagree with SV position and have evidence of success of exorcisms by non-SV clergy.

I would say the important thing is prayer and love :smile:

Alexandria · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2010, 01:11:30 PM »

A priest needs jurisdiction in order to perform an exorcism, the same as he needs jurisdiction to validly absolve you from your sins.

I didn't start this to turn it into a debate but to find out if anyone here knows of any traditional priest anywhere - first hand knowledge, not hearsay - that has successfully driven out demons with "supplied jurisdiction."

I know that about eight years ago a former NYPD, Ralph Sarchie, wrote a book about this. Ralph is a "demon buster" and prepares homes for either an exorcism or rids them of demon infestation. He worked a lot with Malachi Martin and Bishop McKenna. According to him, the exorcisms were successful. That's the only information that I have about this.

Does anyone else here know of any?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** June 17, 2010, 01:11:36 PM »

Not when you're dealing with demons!

"when love is not enough"

They have a rigid line of authority. For demonic possession, as opposed to oppression, infestation or obsession it is the authority of the Church which forces them to obey and leave the person's body.

The problem is finding an good NO bishop who will exercise his proper Catholic authority.

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** June 17, 2010, 01:18:02 PM »

true, but I wil lrefrain from saying anything more than that the devil really feeds on anger and hate.....

he cannot stand love and prayer,esp to OL.

Alexandria-you ask valid questions, hope someone has answers here for you! as i may be a stumbling block, will prompthy leave this thread and let others participate :smile:

Alexandria · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2010, 01:35:24 PM »

I understand what you are saying Elizabeth which is why I am asking the question.

The SSPX have their own bishops and I can't see them asking the local bishop of the diocese they happen to have their chapel in for permission. I do remember an SSPX priest (who has since left the priesthood altogether and gone down a horrible road) telling us during a sermon about an SSPX priest performing an exorcism and getting Fr. Peter Scott's permission.

I do not know of nor have I heard of any sedevacantist priest performing one other than what's in the book by Ralph Sarchie.

Alexandria · « **Reply #8 on:** June 17, 2010, 01:42:57 PM »

Elizabeth, have you read Ralph Sarchie's book? It's a little rough (he was still an NYC cop at the time he wrote it), but it is a good book.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 17, 2010, 02:56:29 PM »

The demon is chased out by holy men. The laws and prescriptions are all written FOR ORDINARY TIMES. If there is a real Pope, then obviously anyone who is trying to exorcize without jurisdiction would not be holy and would be a renegade and a fraud. That is what the demon laughs at. But that would not be the case with a sedevacantist.

St. Vincent Ferrer was a miracle-worker and he was given his apostolate by the anti-Pope de Luna, Benedict XIII. This actually gave credence to the anti-Pope until St. Vincent changed his mind and went to the other side.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** June 17, 2010, 03:16:13 PM »

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/sarchie-ralph/6063

audio interview, going to listen to it a bit later..

Ralph Sarchie
Biography:

Ralph Sarchie is a retired 16 year NYPD veteran who had worked out of the 46th Precinct in New York's South Bronx. But, it is his other job that he calls the work : investigating cases of demonic possession and assisting in the exorcisms of humanity's most ancient and most dangerous foes. He has written about his investigations into incredible crimes and inhuman evil that were never explained, solved, or understood except by Sarchie and his partner. Schooled in the rituals of exorcisms, and eyewitness to the reality of demonic possession Ralph Sarchie has docuмented a riveting chronicle of the inexplicable that gives new shape to the shadows in the dark.

Past Shows:
Exorcisms & Possession
Thursday April 15, 2004

Demonologist and former NYC cop, Ralph Sarchie, the co-author of Beware the Night, shared stories of possessions and exorcisms. ... More
Host: George Noory

Alexandria · « **Reply #11 on:** June 17, 2010, 03:20:05 PM »

I don't think that I have read two novus ordo exorcists that are on the same page. Fr. Chad Ripperger says the exact opposite from Fr. Eutenauer (not sure of spelling). And Fr. Amorth is into the charismatics. So, I find that strange.

Wouldn't you think they'd all be in agreement about simple things like Holy Water? Fr. Ripperger says that the old rite blessing is superior to the new; Fr. Eutenauer says there is no difference and that the (get this) power of Holy Water resides in the faith of the user!

Fr. Ripperger says that most mental illnesses are caused by demons; Fr. Eutenauer says that most people who think they are having demon problems are mentally ill.

But they all seem to be in agreement that the old Exorcism Rite is superior to the new.

Dawn · « **Reply #12 on:** June 17, 2010, 04:05:04 PM »

For what it is worth, yes, a sede priest can perform excorcism with sucess and without the local bishops approval. I know this from my own priest who travels around the country doing this very thing. His Bishop is an elderly man who at one time did the excorcisms himself but is no longer able.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2010, 04:21:04 PM »

No, I haven't read Mr. Sarchie's book, but have just read some snippets of it online.

And good old Bp. McKenna wrote the Foreward. Too bad it's so expensive, looks like a good read.

I love Fr. Ripperger overall, the way I love priests who at least admit to the need for this work.

Alexandria · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2010, 04:30:40 PM »

Quote from: Dawn

For what it is worth, yes, a sede priest can perform excorcism with sucess and without the local bishops approval. I know this from my own priest who travels around the country doing this very thing. His Bishop is an elderly man who at one time did the excorcisms himself but is no longer able.

Good! This is what I am trying to find out since I don't know any sedevacantist priest that even talks about these things with the exception of Bishop McKenna.