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Offline reconquest

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  • Any way you could get those quotes?  It would be amusing to watch XavierFem suddenly backpeddle and claim that the exorcisms are suddenly unreliable.

    Here's a part of the exorcism performed by Fr. Ernest Fischer on May 13, 1988:

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    Beelzebub: recite the prayer of the Angel of Fatima (it is recited). The Most Holy Body of Christ, which should be worshipped with great veneration, is desecrated. Frequently, It is no longer placed on the tongue, but given in the hand and treated as if it were a piece of bread. The false Pope himself is no better. He is at the top and gives the Blessed Sacrament in his hand, when he decides and as he pleases. Therefore, he is never in the spirit of the Most High and of the Church. He is not Pope. He who orients himself according to him, goes down the wrong path. This also applies to.... I don't want to talk!

    Beelzebub: If now the flower of Holy Church, called Ecône, is reaching out to Rome, what will come of it? What will happen? The confusion is growing and has reached its peak. Ecône cannot listen to Rome!

    Cardinal Ratzinger, who was called to Rome, followed his ambition more than the call of GOD and what the Holy Spirit made him hear in his soul. This cannot be good. Ratzinger soon saw what was happening in Rome; at least a large part of it. But he said "A", he now has to say "B" too, and he says "B" too. He could still go away and get off now. But once you have fallen into Rome's traps, it is not easy to escape. Over there, the one who climbs now has no good food, his porridge is diluted... I don't want to talk!

    Beelzebub: If a blessing is now given to Ecône by Rome, it will only be a dubious and evil blessing that will not be followed by anything good. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR ECÔNE NOT TO DESIRE SUCH A THING, but to continue the road that must be followed, until Heaven Itself intervenes, which will intervene soon. I don't want to talk!

    Beelzebub: Ecône is a good Church, a Church recognized from Above, even if today's Rome does not recognize it. This is not yet openly declared because in their hearts, those of Rome are harboring something evil. It won't be a real recognition! It's all a sham and a conspiracy. They, those of Rome, utterly detest the Catholic Church and Ecône in particular. They did not want in any way to promote the spirit of Ecône or to implement it, which is why they withheld their permission for so long.
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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  • Thank you.

    So ...

    Beelzebub during exorcism:
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    He is not Pope. 

    What say you now, Xavier?


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  • Elsewhere, reconquest, you posted this --

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    Wojtyla allows that women speak in the microphone, before the altar; he also gives communion in the hand himself, etc. He allows these women to almost worship him, but also other faithful, I must add. He likes that women cling to him and he grants them all privileges, as the world and wordly priests grant them. He cannot be the true Pope, and he is not the true Pope. He is not the true Chief, as we have had to say many times... I don't want to say any more!

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    If everything took place according to the will of Wojtyla and Freemasonry, the Church would really collapse. She would be destroyed. But the Most High is watching over the Church, as we have had to say previously. “And the Gates of Hell will not prevail against her”, said the Most High when he said to Peter: “You are Peter, the Rock; and on this Rock I will build my Church”,etc. But Peter being the rock, it would be unfair and devastating for men, for the faithful, if such an actor, if such a deceitful man who comes from abroad was able to completely ruin the Church, in this serious situation. I don't want to talk!

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  • Thanks for reminding me of these!
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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  • No, it is in fact you who make a mockery of the Church's indefectibility.  That indefectibility would prevent not only the promulgation of an invalid Mass, but also the promulgation of a harmful or defective Mass that Catholics cannot attend in good conscience.  If you claim that the V2 papal claimants were/are legitimate Popes, then you must accept the New Mass as intrinsically good (barring abuses in its implementation) and conducive to faith and piety.
    Isn't this the line of thinking of sedevacantists and the FSSP, though they arrive at opposite ends?
    The SSPX (at least historically) did not agree with either of those.

    The Archbishop did sign in 1988 a statement that included accepting the validity of the N.O. rite according to the typical editions of Paul VI, but that text did not go beyond validity, and left open the consideration of defective intentions or ministers. And while the SSPX officially was not sedevacantist, the Archbishop seemed to tolerate a wide range of views on the Church crisis among the clergy, if it didn't interfere with the liturgy and office in common.


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  • Isn't this the line of thinking of sedevacantists and the FSSP, though they arrive at opposite ends?
    The SSPX (at least historically) did not agree with either of those.

    Your are correct.

    Sedevacantists and conservative Novus Ordites agree on the PRINCIPLE that the Church could not have erred so gravely.

    SVism --
    MAJOR:  Church cannot err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment has erred this gravely.
    CONCLUSION:  Novus Ordo establishment is not the Church.

    Conservative Novus Ordists --
    MAJOR:  Church cannot err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment did NOT err this gravely.
    CONCLUSION:  Novus Ordo establishment is the Church.

    Meanwhile the SSPX agrees with liberal Novus Ordites in principle.

    SSPX --
    MAJOR:  Church can err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment has erred this gravely.
    CONCLUSION;  Novus Ordo establishment is the Catholic Church.

    Liberal Novus Ordists --
    MAJOR:  Church can err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment has not erred gravely, but got it right.
    CONCLUSION:  Novus Ordo establishment is the Catholic Church.


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  • I see that XavierSem has gone silent after it was demonstrated that the exorcisms he cited actually promote sedevacantism.

    So, Xavier, you claim that these exorcisms must have been telling the truth because the priests compelled them to tell the truth.

    Consequently, by your OWN REASONING, the V2 popes have not been legitimate.

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  • Your are correct.

    Sedevacantists and conservative Novus Ordites agree on the PRINCIPLE that the Church could not have erred so gravely.

    SVism --
    MAJOR:  Church cannot err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment has erred this gravely.
    CONCLUSION:  Novus Ordo establishment is not the Church.
    At least one of us is seeing things, because the above is the only one that looks like a proper syllogism.
    The second could be fixed with a swap:
    Conservative Novus Ordists --
    MAJOR:  Church cannot err this gravely.
    MINOR:  Novus Ordo establishment is the Church.
    CONCLUSION:  Novus Ordo establishment did NOT err this gravely.

    Your third one is in the form:  "a pig is an animal, a dog is an animal, therefore a dog is a pig". Undistributed middle?


     

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