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« on: January 24, 2009, 09:22:50 AM »
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  • CONGREGATIO PRO EPISCOPIS

    By way of a letter of December 15, 2008 addressed to His Eminence Cardinal Dario Castrillón Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, Mons. Bernard Fellay, also in the name of the other three Bishops consecrated on June 30, 1988, requested anew the removal of the latae sententiae excommunication formally declared with the Decree of the Prefect of this Congregation on July 1, 1988. In the aforementioned letter, Mons. Fellay affirms, among other things: "We are always firmly determined in our will to remain Catholic and to place all our efforts at the service of the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ, which is the Roman Catholic Church. We accept its teachings with filial disposition. We believe firmly in the Primacy of Peter and in its prerogatives, and for this the current situation makes us suffer so much."

    His Holiness Benedict XVI - paternally sensitive to the spiritual unease manifested by the interested party due to the sanction of excommunication and trusting in the effort expressed by them in the aforementioned letter of not sparing any effort to deepen the necessary discussions with the Authority of the Holy See in the still open matters, so as to achieve shortly a full and satisfactory solution of the problem posed in the origin - decided to reconsider the canonical situation of Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta, arisen with their episcopal consecration.

    With this act, it is desired to consolidate the reciprocal relations of confidence and to intensify and grant stability to the relationship of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X with this Apostolic See. This gift of peace, at the end of the Christmas celebrations, is also intended to be a sign to promote unity in the charity of the universal Church and to try to vanquish the scandal of division.

    It is hoped that this step be followed by the prompt accomplishment of full communion with the Church of the entire Fraternity of Saint Pius X, thus testifying true fidelity and true recognition of the Magisterium and of the authority of the Pope with the proof of visible unity.

    Based on the faculty expressly granted to me by the Holy Father Benedict XVI, in virtue of the present Decree, I remit of Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta the censure of latae sententiae excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time.

    Rome, from the Congregation for Bishops, January 21, 2009.

    Card. Giovanni Battista Re
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    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 09:23:05 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2009, 09:27:37 AM »
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  • This is a very interesting development.

    God has everything in control, as always, which makes you wonder what lies in store for the world.

    The Third Secret of Fatima predicts that the Pope will have to flee Rome over many dead bodies, and will die in exile. Now think about it for a minute -- why would he be taken by surprise? Perhaps he's so busy reaching out to the Jєωs that he doesn't see how they control most of the world and set up most of its wars?

    But now Catholics have one less thing to turn them away from the SSPX. What if the "attack on Rome" happened this year? (I have no reason to think that, but just for the sake of discussion) It might shake up the worldview of a few complacent Catholics -- that there is more going on in the world than what you see on CNN. Then the four Bishops might make a lot of headway with a great many Catholics.

    It's like the four SSPX bishops just got more "armor" or "weaponry" for the Fight -- so it has me wondering what God has planned that will require such armor/weapons?

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    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 09:57:00 AM »
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    « Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 06:42:31 AM »
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    The Third Secret of Fatima predicts that the Pope will have to flee Rome over many dead bodies, and will die in exile. Now think about it for a minute -- why would he be taken by surprise? Perhaps he's so busy reaching out to the Jєωs that he doesn't see how they control most of the world and set up most of its wars?


    Not quite- the Holy Father ignored strong warnings from the ADL when he lifted the excommunications.

    http://www.adl.org/PresRele/VaticanJєωιѕн_96/5450_96.htm]ADL "warning" to the Holy Father


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    « Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 06:44:02 AM »
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  • I'm sorry, that's a dead link. I forgot that one can't edit posts and didn't check it properly before posting!

    Here it is again:
    Warning to Holy Father from ADL

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  • Now that the SSPX is united with Rome in the eyes of the world, doesn't that send the message to all that Archbishop Lefebrvre (BTW is he mentioned in this "lifting"?). To the world it looks as though these "naughty" children have finally come to their senses. And, finally accepted the changes of Vatican II and the false Novus Ordo mass and the ecuмania of the New Church. They had more efffectivens standing against these false teachings as the SSPX was in the beginning. To the world they caved and to the world they were wrong all along or else they never would have come to Benedict XVI courting reconciliation. So, to have the most visible and vocal organization fold and become part of NewRome can not have any good in it. We are not to give the appearance of scandal to the True Faith by praying with those who do not hold the True Faith. And, even though he makes these little ripples towards Tradition, is not Benedict causing more disorientation because he has not declared clearly that all of the teachings of encyclicals such as the Syllabus are in fact true and he was wrong to state that he was  making a counter Syllabus. In fact, until he states that he was wrong and does things clearly so the world sees the truth, is he not still as he has always been a wolf in sheeps clothing?

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    « Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 09:58:00 AM »
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  • I realize I did not finish my sentence at the begining. I mean say to the world that all Archbishop Lefebvre stood for was for naught.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 25, 2009, 10:42:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    In fact, until he states that he was wrong and does things clearly so the world sees the truth, is he not still as he has always been a wolf in sheeps clothing?


    Now, Dawn, you know you shouldn't ask such difficult questions at this time of peace and joy!
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 11:05:21 AM »
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  •  [/quote]
    I realize I did not finish my sentence at the begining. I mean say to the world that all Archbishop Lefebvre stood for was for naught.
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          Speaking as someone who has spent way too much time on depressing topics (mea culpa) , consider this an SSPX victory. The SSPX ain't perfect, never said they were infallible, never promased you a rose garden, but they never bowed a knee to Satan,
    unlike the Pope John Paul II and Benedict. In my book, there should be a monument for these guys just like Imo Jima.

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        Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    The Bible even tells us the spiritual meaning of the color blue:
         

            Num 15:38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
            Num 15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

            Deu 22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.

           

        Why blue? It is understood that the tablets of the Ten Commandments were cut from the clear blue sapphire seen on mount Sinai (Exo 24:10), which makes up the very throne of God (Eze 1:26, 10:1). So, the Ark of the Covenant in the most holy apartment of the sanctuary, the throne of God's presence (the Shekinah glory), contained the blue sapphire tablets of the Ten Commandments.

    So regarding the whoring harlot church, though she claims to be God's representative on earth, the missing color blue in her description indicates that she actively disregards and transgresses the law of God. One of the characteristics of the antichrist power is lawlessness:

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        Like I said before, Anybody have a poster size copy of the Ten Commandments - No?  Gee, I wonder why?    

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    « Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 04:05:29 PM »
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  • "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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  • Time will tell if the SSPX unites with NewRome. I may be premature in my thinking, but it is not rubbish. Read what the newchurchers are saying, they believe Fellay saw the error in their way and Pappa Ratzi (their name not mine) took them back. I hope Fellay stands firm, think if he does not their will be an earthquake in the SSPX because the majority I have heard has no intention of accepting NewRome.

    I liken this euphoria over the lifting of the excommunications and the "joy" we are all to exhibit, and the blindness we should have towards the worse outcome (they unite and accept VII) to the euphoria over Obama. Just be glad sit back and let the wave of gladness sweep over you, BUT, don't you dare point out the obvious, for if you do, well your thoughts are a bunch of rubbish.

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  • There will be those who do not bother to read the docuмentation and response from Bishop Fellay, doubtless. I imagine they will, indeed, claim that he and the SSPX have accepted the N.O etc. I do not care one whit for their erroneous thoughts; if they did the smallest bit of reading into the topic, they would see that nothing in the words of Bishop Fellay gives any indication of this. Rather, his words simply reaffirm what the Society has always proclaimed, that there are deep problems within the Church, and they are doctrinal, stemming from VII, which he clearly states the SSPX does not accept.

    There is no comparison between our gladness that justice has been done in answer to our prayers, and that disturbing hero-worship exhibited by your countrymen towards your new president. The only blindness is that of those who do not trouble themselves to learn the facts of the matter.

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  • Quote from: Adesto
    ...there are deep problems within the Church, and they are doctrinal, stemming from VII...


    Deep doctrinal problems within the Immaculate Spouse of Christ, the guide of which is the Holy Ghost?  This is an impossibility, especially as they are supposedly coming from the very seat of infallible teaching authority - and for over 45 years now.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."