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Offline Banez123

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Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2025, 10:25:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 23, 2025, 10:23:06 PM
    Here is his previous account:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/Banezian/

    Indeed his previous account is in good standing. Why the new account? That's against the rules you know.
    I lost access to my old account. I try to reset my password and no email comes. 
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    Offline Banez123

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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #31 on: January 23, 2025, 10:27:45 PM »
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    • In any event, now that the old account has come up, I'll just say that if anyone has any questions for me- fire away. 

    I wasn't blameless in what happened (as I've said) but neither were a few others involved. 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #32 on: January 23, 2025, 10:29:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 07:56:27 PM
    No. I am a parishioner at an FSSP parish. The fact that Hart is Orthodox does not of itself make him wrong.

    Between this and your assertion that he's your favorite "theologian", you're suspect of heresy.  No Catholic could call an Orthodox theologian his favorite and say he's "not wrong".  He's wrong by definition.  But I guess religious indifferentism would be endemic in a group of that consider the Heresiarchs Montini and Wojtyla to be saints.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #33 on: January 23, 2025, 10:32:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 23, 2025, 10:29:30 PM
    Between this and your assertion that he's your favorite "theologian", you're suspect of heresy.  No Catholic could call an Orthodox theologian his favorite and say he's "not wrong".  He's wrong by definition.  But I guess religious indifferentism would be endemic in a group of that consider the Heresiarchs Montini and Wojtyla to be saints.
    I said he was "one of my favorite living theologians"

    I also like Fr. Thomas Joseph White, Fr. Aidan Nichols, Fr. Thomas Crean, Dr. John Lamont, and many others. 
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #34 on: January 23, 2025, 10:34:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 23, 2025, 10:29:30 PM
    Between this and your assertion that he's your favorite "theologian", you're suspect of heresy.  No Catholic could call an Orthodox theologian his favorite and say he's "not wrong".  He's wrong by definition.  But I guess religious indifferentism would be endemic in a group of that consider the Heresiarchs Montini and Wojtyla to be saints.
    I think JP2 and the others may be saints (but it's not certain by any means) If they are saints, they are saints only because the entire Church prayed for them at death and they made it to Heaven as a result. Not due to anything heroic they did. 
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #35 on: January 23, 2025, 10:44:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 10:25:59 PM
    I lost access to my old account. I try to reset my password and no email comes.

    It has happened to me. All you need to do is to send Matthew an e-mail.

    You are correct. There are a few "experts" who consider Novus Ordo Holy Orders to be valid. They don't convince me.

    But let us not hijack the thread anymore. It seems that you are saying weird stuff right now, but I won't discuss Orthodox theologians. With all due respect, life is too short for this. I wish you well. May God bless you.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #36 on: January 23, 2025, 11:26:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 09:40:54 PM
    Instead of arguing with you, I'll recommend you read Balthasar for Thomists (a recent book by the Dominican Fr. Aidan Nichols) That will answer your questions.
    Hell being eternal is a dogmatic certitude.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #37 on: January 24, 2025, 04:07:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on January 23, 2025, 11:26:21 PM
    Hell being eternal is a dogmatic certitude.
    Yes, hell is eternal because God is eternal. If souls ever were released from hell, they would have gotten away with having died in mortal sin, iow they would have beaten God.  
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #38 on: January 24, 2025, 04:57:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 09:40:54 PM
    Instead of arguing with you, I'll recommend you read Balthasar for Thomists (a recent book by the Dominican Fr. Aidan Nichols) That will answer your questions.

    He asked what you believe.  If you recommend Balthasar, along with the Orthodox heretic, this only confirms that you're suspect of heresy.

    This guy here is not a Catholic and should be banned.  Also, being an FSSPer, he really hasn't business here other than to troll.  He's the ultimate smells and bells guy, having some reason to attend a Tridentine Mass (probably just aesthetic) while pushing heresy.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #39 on: January 24, 2025, 05:04:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 10:32:06 PM
    I said he was "one of my favorite living theologians"

    I also like Fr. Thomas Joseph White, Fr. Aidan Nichols, Fr. Thomas Crean, Dr. John Lamont, and many others.

    Doesn't help your case any.  He has no business being in any list of "favorites" for an actual Catholic.  Nobody here wants the Modernist-heretic trash you're pushing.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #40 on: January 24, 2025, 06:14:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 24, 2025, 04:57:12 AM
    He asked what you believe.  If you recommend Balthasar, along with the Orthodox heretic, this only confirms that you're suspect of heresy.

    This guy here is not a Catholic and should be banned.  Also, being an FSSPer, he really hasn't business here other than to troll.  He's the ultimate smells and bells guy, having some reason to attend a Tridentine Mass (probably just aesthetic) while pushing heresy.
    Maybe he should be banned, but I'm just curious how you know he isn't Catholic?  Isn't it possible (likely) that he just is going this route because he's persuaded the V2 Magisterium is the Catholic magisterium?  
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #41 on: January 24, 2025, 07:11:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on January 24, 2025, 06:14:44 AM
    Maybe he should be banned, but I'm just curious how you know he isn't Catholic?  Isn't it possible (likely) that he just is going this route because he's persuaded the V2 Magisterium is the Catholic magisterium? 

    When he promotes an Orthodox guy as "one of his favorite theologians" and "not wrong" ... and then Modernist-heretics like Balthasaar, no Catholic could actually do that.  No Orthodox thinker should ever even make a Catholic's list of theologians, much less his "favorite" ones.  And, of course, the term theologian (for a Catholic) does not apply to some Orthodox thinker.  In no sense is he a theologian, since theology (as St. Thomas defines) requires faith.  He's a "thinker about religion", but the term theologian for Catholics requires the Catholic faith as the foundation.
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #42 on: January 24, 2025, 07:57:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 05:48:36 PM
    Hart received his PhD from UVA, works with Notre Dame, and is respected by a number of orthodox Catholic thinkers today (like Robert Louis Wilken)

    I suggest you watch/read his stuff before making silly statements.
    Back when he was "coming out" as a universalist I actually followed him fairly closely. Aside from being a heretic, what I remember most was how arrogant and petulantly childish he was when more capable thinkers like Ed Feser thoroughly debunked his drivel. 
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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #43 on: January 24, 2025, 08:28:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 08:07:59 PM
    All sorts of odd stuff is tolerated on here (Flat Eartherism)
    "Flat Eartherism"

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    Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
    « Reply #44 on: January 24, 2025, 08:49:06 AM »
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    • I clicked on the link in the OP, the site is called "Closer to the truth" which immediately flags it out as non-Catholic because that title alone says that we Catholics are searching for the truth.  We're not searching for the truth at all - God has given us the truth, God has imposed the truth upon us, we are bound under the pain of damnation to accept it.



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