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Offline Banez123

Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2025, 08:21:02 PM »
A serious problem with modern Traditional Catholicism is that scholars and thinkers (of varying persuasions) are dismissed without serious consideration. Laity and even clergy in Tradition do this pretty often. The claim  that Pope Benedict XVI denied the Resurrection of Christ (a laughable idea for anyone who has actually read his work) is just one example that can be given. If you don't like Hart, Balthasar, Congar, Ratzinger, etc- that's fine. But read them first and develop serious responses to their work. That's all I'm saying. 
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Offline Banez123

Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2025, 08:23:03 PM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on January 23, 2025, 08:19:51 PM
Banez123
Date Registered: September 04, 2024, 02:18:46 AM
First post: Today at 08:09:18 PM

This is likely an alternative spare profile from another user, probably the one who's been banned.

These trolls, they always start with a bang. First post is already controversial.
I was banned but then unbanned(at least when it comes to my previous account)

I am a Traditional Catholic who attends the FSSP(I attended Resistance and SSPX back in the day) I don't attend the New Mass and wouldn't even consider doing so. Why should I be banned?
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Offline EternalKeys

Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2025, 08:26:28 PM »
Quote from: Banez123 on January 23, 2025, 05:52:39 PM
By the way, the question of universalism is a complex theological and philosophical question. It's not something that has a black and white answer. The Church Fathers grappled with it throughout the first millennium
Judith 16
"Woe be to the nation that riseth up against my people: for the Lord almighty will take revenge on them, in the day of judgment he will visit them. For he will give fire, and worms into their flesh, that they may burn, and may feel for ever"

Fifth Ecuмenical Council, Anathemas Against Origen
"If anyone shall say that all reasonable beings will one day be united in one, when the hypostases as well as the numbers and the bodies shall have disappeared, and that the knowledge of the world to come will carry with it the ruin of the worlds, and the rejection of bodies as also the abolition of [all] names, and that there shall be finally an identity of the γνῶσις and of the hypostasis; moreover, that in this pretended apocatastasis, spirits only will continue to exist, as it was in the feigned pre-existence: let him be anathema"

Seventh Ecuмenical Council, Session VI (sourced from The Seventh General Council by John Mendham, Pg. 423)
"If any one confess not the resurrection of the dead, the judgment to come, the retribution of each one according to his merits, in the righteous balance of the Lord that neither will there be any end of punishment nor indeed of the kingdom of heaven, that is the full enjoyment of God, for the kingdom of heaven is not meat and drink but righteousness joy and peace in the Holy Ghost, as the divine Apostle teaches, let him be anathema"
"This is the confession of the patrons of our true faith — the holy Apostles, the divinely inspired Fathers: this is the confession of the Catholic Church, and not of heretics. That which follows, however, is their own, full of ignorance and absurdity, for thus they bluster."

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Offline Banez123

Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2025, 08:32:12 PM »
Quote from: EternalKeys on January 23, 2025, 08:26:28 PM
Judith 16
"Woe be to the nation that riseth up against my people: for the Lord almighty will take revenge on them, in the day of judgment he will visit them. For he will give fire, and worms into their flesh, that they may burn, and may feel for ever"

Fifth Ecuмenical Council, Anathemas Against Origen
"If anyone shall say that all reasonable beings will one day be united in one, when the hypostases as well as the numbers and the bodies shall have disappeared, and that the knowledge of the world to come will carry with it the ruin of the worlds, and the rejection of bodies as also the abolition of [all] names, and that there shall be finally an identity of the γνῶσις and of the hypostasis; moreover, that in this pretended apocatastasis, spirits only will continue to exist, as it was in the feigned pre-existence: let him be anathema"

Seventh Ecuмenical Council, Session VI (sourced from The Seventh General Council by John Mendham, Pg. 423)
"If any one confess not the resurrection of the dead, the judgment to come, the retribution of each one according to his merits, in the righteous balance of the Lord that neither will there be any end of punishment nor indeed of the kingdom of heaven, that is the full enjoyment of God, for the kingdom of heaven is not meat and drink but righteousness joy and peace in the Holy Ghost, as the divine Apostle teaches, let him be anathema"
"This is the confession of the patrons of our true faith — the holy Apostles, the divinely inspired Fathers: this is the confession of the Catholic Church, and not of heretics. That which follows, however, is their own, full of ignorance and absurdity, for thus they bluster."
The ecuмenical councils must be understood in the way the Church understands them. 

Here's my understanding. 

I believe explicit faith in Christ is needed for salvation. However, I also think that God (to display his mercy and greater glory) may at the hour of death come to whomever he wishes and offer them this faith/salvation(either through an angel or Himself)


Hell does exist, and those who die having committed grave sins will spend time there. However, whether it is eternal or ultimately comes to an end is a serious question. 
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Offline Banez123

Re: Excellent video from David Bentley Hart which shows not all ecuмenism is bad
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2025, 08:40:13 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 23, 2025, 08:36:14 PM
[...] for to this effect have the apostles decreed saying, With the excommunicated no fellowship is to be held. And if anyone, setting aside the rules wittingly, sings with the excommunicated in his house, or speaks or prays in company with them, that man is to be deprived of the privilege of communion. Such persons, therefore, are in all things to be guarded against, and are not to be received, because according to the apostle, not only those who commit such things are condemned, but also those who consent with those who do them."

Pope St. Fabian (b. 20 January, 250)


This quote comes from before the schism. The post-schism situation when it comes to the Orthodox is much more complex. 

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