Someone I know really well who goes to a Vatican 2 church and has a prayer group with Vatican 2 Catholics and Protestants, said he and his prayer group believes people will be raised from the dead and it will cause a great revival.

Below are some of the responses I gave him.

All Protestants go to hell.
Nobody gets a second chance after they die.
A true revival is when people become Catholic to work out their salvation with fear and trembling in hopes of saving their soul.
If someone really believes in Jesus, they believe the teachings of the Catholic Church since Christ revealed through the Catholic Church all we must believe.

I went to a novus ordo marriage yesterday. My wife made me.

I am sorry.

Napoli:  You are the head of the home.  She did not make you go to a wedding, you gave in, to keep peace, it was a false peace.  

The Church is visible.  Christ came on this earth and proved himself the one True God. We are made in His image.  You are making the Church visible when you follow Christ.  Christ would not have gone to that wedding.

The Chair of Peter was made possible by the Son of God.  The chair is empty at this time.  Pope Francis did not have the Ordination that was instituted by Christ.  He was simply installed.  In order to be Pope, one must be Catholic.  He is not, for by their fruits you will know them.  This Pope(not pope) has bad fruits, being that he outwardly goes against the doctrine that there is no salvation outside the church.  This heresy is the one heresy that he can not have to be a pope.  It is the one sin he can not have to be pope.  Because it is outwardly and manifest, he would not be able to run for the position of pope which is written in the laws of the church.  

Was online noticed some sede remarks (by the way have no idea what the sede logic is)

My husband and I are trads and talked about the sede opinion and we came to the conclusion that if your a good pope or a bad pope your still pope. Im sure over the last 2000yrs we haven't had all good ones.

The argument my hubby made was whether he was a good husband or not he is still my husband. Some of us do the job properly some don't but he title in itself still remains. That power still transferred.

Just like Jacob and Eaus. The blessing was meant for eausa and Jacob stole it kinda deceitfully but the authority had already been transferred. Good or bad that authority is there.

Just my two bits.

By the way the church I agree is a mess on every level but there are some really great knowledgeable practising catholics on every level . Not many but when u bump into them they are a breath of fresh air.

Have a good day.

your friendly canadian :farmer:

Was online noticed some sede remarks (by the way have no idea what the sede logic is)

My husband and I are trads and talked about the sede opinion and we came to the conclusion that if your a good pope or a bad pope your still pope. Im sure over the last 2000yrs we haven't had all good ones.

The argument my hubby made was whether he was a good husband or not he is still my husband. Some of us do the job properly some don't but he title in itself still remains. That power still transferred.

Just like Jacob and Eaus. The blessing was meant for eausa and Jacob stole it kinda deceitfully but the authority had already been transferred. Good or bad that authority is there.

Just my two bits.

By the way the church I agree is a mess on every level but there are some really great knowledgeable practising catholics on every level . Not many but when u bump into them they are a breath of fresh air.

Have a good day.

your friendly canadian :farmer:

All this time, for reasons I cannot really identify, I have assumed you were male.  

Is it a case that the pope is the pope no matter what or is it a case that a pope that embraces heresy or becomes an apostate falls from this divine office and it is then that the college of cardinals or bishops then elect a successor and that in the post-Vatican II world the cardinals and bishops aren't doing that.  

Exactly right. The wolves aren't going to say, "Oh, look! A wolf is among us!" I always find it humorous when defenders of the structure in Rome say, "For the pope to be declared a heretic, the world must recognize his heresy." What they fail to point out - conveniently - is that a good percentage - most? - people in the world are heretics themselves. Perhaps only material heretics, but heretics nonetheless. They and those who came before them have been fed the poison for over 50 years now, so they wouldn't recognize heresy anyway. Even if they did, would they change? They enjoy their Catholicism Lite. Ember Days? Pffft. Contraception is a mortal sin? I'll go with my conscience, thank you. Try to convert Jєωs to the Faith? John Paul the Great said their covenant is still valid. I should receive Our Lord on the tongue? Sooo passé! Fast for THREE hours? That's too ha-a-a-a-a-rd! :cry:

My children received there Sacraments of initiation at a novus ordo church. My wife and I worry about this a lot. What's everyone's thoughts?

The New order has nothing!  Initiation is what protestants get.  Removal of Original Sin is what Baptism is.  Chapter 12 of Daniel needs to be read.  The continual sacrifice will come to and end.  Precious Blood "continual" will end.  Does it say how?  no, but it should be obvious to many by now that The Church that Christ founded was given over to Marxists.  What we have left in the traditional arena is the remnant.  Your enemy knows where the powers are" The Precious Blood".  The enemy just destroyed It and again all we have is a remnant.