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Offline Giovanni Berto

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #175 on: Yesterday at 11:37:31 PM »
If a bishop's life was so scrutinized like people do with Abp. Thuc, we would have some terrible doubts about the validity of a lot of clerics ordained or consecrated before the 1960s.

Some folks here need to understand the difference between positive and negative doubt.

Who ordained Cardinal Lienart? Was he of sound mind? Was this man interviewed? Do we have witnesses? Maybe Abp. Lefebvre was not really a priest, let alone a bishop. It goes on and on...
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Offline Lazarus

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #176 on: Yesterday at 11:45:30 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Yesterday at 08:44:48 PM
What are you talking about? You're making things up.

I am a traditional Catholic who adheres to all the teachings of Holy Church, and who desires the salvation of all.

Why are you asking me for advice on where to receive the sacraments, if I am so irrational according to you?

Please, leave me alone.
Your disgusting behaviour of pretending to be a victim is filthy. I am done with you, just go to hell alone and do not take others with you. 
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Offline Lazarus

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #177 on: Yesterday at 11:50:43 PM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on Yesterday at 11:37:31 PM
If a bishop's life was so scrutinized like people do with Abp. Thuc, we would have some terrible doubts about the validity of a lot of clerics ordained or consecrated before the 1960s.

Some folks here need to understand the difference between positive and negative doubt.

Who ordained Cardinal Lienart? Was he of sound mind? Was this man interviewed? Do we have witnesses? Maybe Abp. Lefebvre was not really a priest, let alone a bishop. It goes on and on...
It is very difficult for me not to loathe those people. 

They have no idea of the gravity of their claims, nor do they understand the sheer absolute catastrophic consequences they have. 

Satan is laughing at us. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #178 on: Today at 04:53:20 AM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Yesterday at 03:21:10 PM
Clearly this is a waste of time, there is much gaslighting being done here.

Lazarus, I invite you to read the following thread, as the sede thesis is often based on faulty theology.  https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-true-and-the-false-infallibility-of-the-popes/

For those who care to read, Cardinal Castillo Lara in an interview from 1988 comments on the mental state of Archbishop Thuc, suggesting that he was not entirely responsible for his actions.

Interestingly, he remarks that what distinguished the excommunication of +Thuc and Archbishop Lefebvre, is that the former did not wish to be schismatic, while the latter did, according to the Novus Ordo Cardinal.


The article is not reliable because it's only evidence is hearsay from a NO cardinal. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #179 on: Today at 05:00:33 AM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Yesterday at 03:33:19 PM
Alright, that is understandable, but Archbishop Lefebvre's consecrations were done quite openly during the same time period.

No one is calumniating Archbishop Thuc. If you read my long post, you would have seen that there is good reason to doubt the integrity of his actions, and that the most charitable way to interpret his notoriously strange and non-Catholic behaviour, is to attribute it to a mental disorder, since he could not plead ignorance. This is not about attacking his person. It is a matter of approaching the sacraments with the reverence that the Church demands of us. 
I was referring to Tom as the one doing the calumniating, certainly not you. I'm sorry that I was not clear on that. 

+ABL did his consecrations under completely different, incomparable circuŠ¼stances.

Again, the idea of +Thuc suffering from some mental disorder is, and should be taken as a lying rumor that's still believed by many - perhaps it was started by that same NO cardinal from that article you posted. Who knows? I say this because if +Thuc had a mental disorder, then all trads of the day had the same disorder, but to a lesser (or more?) degree perhaps.
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