Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid? (Read 3151 times)

WorldsAway · « **Reply #170 on:** **Yesterday** at 06:28:24 PM »

Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on March 12, 2026, 04:54:07 PM

Fr. Cekada wrote an article on the validity of ordinations and consecrations done by Freemasons, that may be worth reading. This is not to praise of everything he did as a person, I am simply sharing to ensure everyone is as well-informed as possible, because Father was known to have well-sourced articles.

https://www.traditionalmass.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/MasonicBishops.pdf

...did you read this? Apply the principles it sets down to +Thuc and you should have no problemo trusting his line

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #171 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:41:39 PM »

Acts of the Second Vatican Council, words of Archbishop Thuc, translated from the Latin original given below.

“…it seems to me an extraordinary thing that in the schema concerning the people of God, express mention is nowhere made of women, so that the Church appears totally masculine, whereas the reality is quite different. Do not women constitute the greater part of the laity—even of ecclesiastical prescriptions? Of course I well know the Church had to behave like this in order not to offend the prejudices of those ages. Thus, St. Paul imposed the veil on women in Church, lest they displease the angels. So why must men proudly enter the church bareheaded which is contrary to the custom of clerics today both in the West and the East? In the same way, silence was imposed on women whereas in this Basilica the walls recently resounded to the voices of the Fathers. So to, nuns must obtain the permission of churches to wash the sacred linens. And likewise this unjust discrimination appears here and now in this conciliar hall… Why is it that in our atomic age, when almost everywhere in the world women have obtained juridical equality with men, it is only in the Church of Christ that they still suffer these injurious discriminations… I eagerly seek… these discriminations against the most valiant sex be eradicated. Last of all I shall be grateful to him who can present me with a plain apodictic text of the Gospel which excludes the sisters of the Blessed Virgin Mary from the sacred functions.” (Acta Synodalia Vaticani II, vol. 2, part 3, pp. 513)

https://archive.org/details/ASII.3/page/512/mode/2up

+Thuc at the Offertory during the New Mass.

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #172 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:44:48 PM »

Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 06:11:35 PM

You did note provide us with any answer as to whom, exactly, has valid sacraments at all, assuming you are correct. Where else are we supposed to get our sacraments from, exactly, if we cannot get them from anyone of the Thuc line, nor from anyone from the Lefebvre line?

If the Church is gone, that simply means Catholicism is a false religion. Are you an apostate?

You seem quite desperate to cut off any chance at all for salvation of Catholics. First, you dare deny that catechumen martyrs are saved, then you dare deny that people who desire with all their heart the Catholic faith can be saved. Now, you dare deny that any Catholic in the world has any chance of salvation at all !!

Woman, are you directly working for Satan? That is the only way your behaviour makes any sense !!

Your behaviour reminds me of this :

¹³“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

What are you talking about? You're making things up.

I am a traditional Catholic who adheres to all the teachings of Holy Church, and who desires the salvation of all.

Why are you asking me for advice on where to receive the sacraments, if I am so irrational according to you?

Please, leave me alone.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #173 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:51:18 PM »

Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Yesterday at 08:41:39 PM

Acts of the Second Vatican Council, words of Archbishop Thuc, translated from the Latin original given below.

“…it seems to me an extraordinary thing that in the schema concerning the people of God, express mention is nowhere made of women, so that the Church appears totally masculine, whereas the reality is quite different. Do not women constitute the greater part of the laity—even of ecclesiastical prescriptions? Of course I well know the Church had to behave like this in order not to offend the prejudices of those ages. Thus, St. Paul imposed the veil on women in Church, lest they displease the angels. So why must men proudly enter the church bareheaded which is contrary to the custom of clerics today both in the West and the East? In the same way, silence was imposed on women whereas in this Basilica the walls recently resounded to the voices of the Fathers. So to, nuns must obtain the permission of churches to wash the sacred linens. And likewise this unjust discrimination appears here and now in this conciliar hall… Why is it that in our atomic age, when almost everywhere in the world women have obtained juridical equality with men, it is only in the Church of Christ that they still suffer these injurious discriminations… I eagerly seek… these discriminations against the most valiant sex be eradicated. Last of all I shall be grateful to him who can present me with a plain apodictic text of the Gospel which excludes the sisters of the Blessed Virgin Mary from the sacred functions.” (Acta Synodalia Vaticani II, vol. 2, part 3, pp. 513)

https://archive.org/details/ASII.3/page/512/mode/2up

+Thuc at the Offertory during the New Mass.

Who cares? None of this affects +Thuc’s ability to consecrate. It’s completely off-topic. With each post, you further prove you don’t understand the principles in question.

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #174 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:51:18 PM »

This is a direct quote from Cardinal Achille Lienart, taken from the book Twelve Council Fathers:

"Nor is it true that the Jews are a deicide people, for, if they had been aware of His divinity, they would have believed in Him and would not have brought about his death." In the same book Lienart admitted that he had allowed Orthodox priests to study at his seminary since 1953. Orthodox are heretics, even if they have valid orders. He said that his main preoccupation was to further Pope John's aggiornamento. And he was in favor of the liturgical changes. I quote:

"There will be, for example, some changes in our liturgical functions, in order that the initiated will not be the only ones to understand the liturgy but that it may become more accessible to everyone." (p. 52)

And because of the Council the "Church appears more alive than ever." (p. 53) Leinart was an absolute modernist who praised the Council. Card. Lienart consecrated Abp. Lefebvre. I would not be so quick to attack the orthodoxy of Bp. Thuc. The fact is that so many of these bishops were already immersed in liberalism long before the Council got started.

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