For those who have not already, please read through my long post, I am simply quoting from other people, because it is important we are informed on the same things. There is no hurry, please take your time.
I will relate again an important fact, which is sourced in my long post.
Dr. Hiller, witness to the +Thuc consecrations, said that he was told by +Thuc himself, that +Thuc simulated a sacrament in the New Mass, so The Angelus' claim of him simulating the sacrament with the Palmer Bishop, is consistent with his behaviour. The reason Dr. Hiller even knew this, is because Drs. Hiller and Heller were shocked at +Thuc's decision to assist at the New Mass, in light of his recent conversion, if you will, to Tradition, and demanded an explanation from +Thuc.
What happened was +Thuc was given a small place to hear confessions in the Novus Ordo cathedral, and thought it would be ingratitude not to celebrate the New Mass there when asked to, but felt he was at the same time obliged to be faithful to Tradition, by withholding consent during the consecration.
This is not hearsay, and was related by Fr. Noel Barbara, a French priest who interviewed +Thuc in March of 1981, and January of 1982. This event is even conceded by Fr. Cekada, who was pro-+Thuc for a good portion of his time as a priest. In fact, he was one of the first ones to write an extensive article, relating these occurences, and analyzing the +Thuc consecrations, entitled "Two Bishops in Every Garage", when he was anti-+Thuc. This article may be read from p. 287, and contains many citations: https://congregationofstpiusv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SacredandProfane.pdf
There are many other occurrences recorded in Fr. Cekada's article, which bring a lot of doubt to one's mind about the functioning of +Thuc's mental faculties.
Anyone who has had interactions with the elderly who have dementia, understand that such a person can be lucid, and appear normal in some ways, while in other ways can be unpredictable, irrational, and rash in decision-making. And so, it is not unimaginable that a similar degeneration of the brain was probably happening with Archbishop Thuc, perhaps brought on earlier from the immense shock of his brothers being killed in Vietnam, and being exiled in Rome by Paul VI. Stress affects one's health greatly, it is even said of Pope St. Pius X that his heart literally broke soon after WWI began, and he died of a heart attack. From my view, in light of this information, that is the most charitable way to view +Thuc's behaviour.
When we look at the entire issue where The Angelus article appears, we can see the context for the statement regarding the Palmer situation. Archbishop Lefebvre was visiting America, and was interviewed with many questions, including being asked about +Thuc. I will repost it again here.
+Lefebvre claimed that +Thuc appeared to have lost all reason.
Was not the Archbishop aware of what was being said of him in this magazine? I am not asking rhetorical questions. I have not seen evidence that he wished the magazine to retract "false statements".
Fr. Cekada wrote an article on the validity of ordinations and consecrations done by Freemasons, that may be worth reading. This is not to praise of everything he did as a person, I am simply sharing to ensure everyone is as well-informed as possible, because Father was known to have well-sourced articles. https://www.traditionalmass.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/MasonicBishops.pdf
You're not making any sense.
1. Fr Cekada's article quotes people/eyewitnesses who say that +Thuc was fine and knew what he was doing. There's nothing in Fr Cekada's article which "brings a lot of doubt" except...I doubt your reading comprehension skills.
2. Duh....it's logical that +Thuc would simulate a new mass, because....he just converted to Traditionalism. He was conflicted, morally. Has nothing to do with sanity. Duh.
3. "And so, it is not unimaginable that a similar degeneration of the brain..."
A man was conflicted about Tradition vs New rites, therefore he is insane?? If that is the case, then every person who attends the indult regularly is insane. Your definition of insanity is quite large and unverifiable. I'm glad you're not a judge who decides such things. Good grief.
I could easily claim you're insane because you read Fr Cekada's pro-Thuc article and claim that it's anti-Thuc.
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