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https://truerestoration.org/season-3-from-the-pulpit-episode-16-archbishop-lefebvres-1976-conference/

"...As we begin Season 3 of From the Pulpit, it is with great pleasure that we release a long forgotten conference given in English, from His Grace, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (1905-1991) given on May 11, 1976 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

In this conference, His Grace lays out the modernist heresy, its origins and the beliefs of modernists which are contradictory to Roman Catholicism and in its very essence, a movement to establish a false religion rooted in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ..."

1 hour plus audio. ENGLISH!!
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Here is the French original transcript of the Montreal May 27, 1976...



  1:30 minutes duration Audio only.
Excerpt:

    "...Now you see, there was this atmosphere at the Council which meant that there was no resistance to this modernist influence exerted by a particular group of cardinals, who were commanded, who were directed in a way by Cardinal Liénart . Now, two months ago in Rome, in the pamphlet "Quiesa Viva," which is a traditionalist pamphlet, this pamphlet published—I saw it with my own eyes in Rome—published on the back cover a photograph of Cardinal Liénart, with all his Masonic affiliations. The date of his initiation into Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the degree to which he belonged on such and such a date, the degree he subsequently ascended, twentieth degree, then thirtieth degree of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, attached to such and such lodge, such and such place; and I have not heard a word in the two or three months since this publication was made that there was not There was no reaction. No contradiction. But unfortunately, I must tell you that Cardinal Liénart is my bishop. He is the one who ordained me a priest, he is the one who consecrated me bishop. I can't do anything about it; thankfully, the orders they give are valid, but it is still with great sorrow that I learned of this.

            But this explains why Cardinal Liénart, who has been dead for three or four years, was the leader of the group of liberal cardinals during the Council. And you know these liberal cardinals as well as I do. The liberal cardinals are all the cardinals from the Rhine region. They first founded a European alliance—they called it the “European Alliance”—Cardinal Alfrink, Cardinal Frings, Cardinal Höffner, Cardinal Liénart, Cardinal Gerbier, Cardinal König, right? They founded an association, and the theologians who assisted them, the experts, founded this journal called IDOC, which was widely circulated during the Council and exerted pressure on all the fathers. Every day, we received, in our mailboxes, in our hotels, a quantity of papers from this IDOC organization, which still exists and is entirely modernist. ..."

Part of this is in a post above.,,translated in English
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Maybe you can play the French YTube, try to get English captions...

Thank you Twice Dyed, this is very helpful. So +Lefebvre did indeed believe +Liénart to have been a Freemason.

Tom, do you think this lends credibility to the accusations against +Liénart? 

For those who have not already, please read through my long post, I am simply quoting from other people, because it is important we are informed on the same things. There is no hurry, please take your time.

I will relate again an important fact, which is sourced in my long post.

Dr. Hiller, witness to the +Thuc consecrations, said that he was told by +Thuc himself, that +Thuc simulated a sacrament in the New Mass, so The Angelus' claim of him simulating the sacrament with the Palmer Bishop, is consistent with his behaviour. The reason Dr. Hiller even knew this, is because Drs. Hiller and Heller were shocked at +Thuc's decision to assist at the New Mass, in light of his recent conversion, if you will, to Tradition, and demanded an explanation from +Thuc.

What happened was +Thuc was given a small place to hear confessions in the Novus Ordo cathedral, and thought it would be ingratitude not to celebrate the New Mass there when asked to, but felt he was at the same time obliged to be faithful to Tradition, by withholding consent during the consecration.


This is not hearsay, and was related by Fr. Noel Barbara, a French priest who interviewed +Thuc in March of 1981, and January of 1982. This event is even conceded by Fr. Cekada, who was pro-+Thuc for a good portion of his time as a priest. In fact, he was one of the first ones to write an extensive article, relating these occurences, and analyzing the +Thuc consecrations, entitled "Two Bishops in Every Garage", when he was anti-+Thuc. This article may be read from p. 287, and contains many citations: https://congregationofstpiusv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SacredandProfane.pdf

There are many other occurrences recorded in Fr. Cekada's article, which bring a lot of doubt to one's mind about the functioning of +Thuc's mental faculties.

Anyone who has had interactions with the elderly who have dementia, understand that such a person can be lucid, and appear normal in some ways, while in other ways can be unpredictable, irrational, and rash in decision-making. And so, it is not unimaginable that a similar degeneration of the brain was probably happening with Archbishop Thuc, perhaps brought on earlier from the immense shock of his brothers being killed in Vietnam, and being exiled in Rome by Paul VI. Stress affects one's health greatly, it is even said of Pope St. Pius X that his heart literally broke soon after WWI began, and he died of a heart attack. From my view, in light of this information, that is the most charitable way to view +Thuc's behaviour.


When we look at the entire issue where The Angelus article appears, we can see the context for the statement regarding the Palmer situation. Archbishop Lefebvre was visiting America, and was interviewed with many questions, including being asked about +Thuc. I will repost it again here.

+Lefebvre claimed that +Thuc appeared to have lost all reason.

Was not the Archbishop aware of what was being said of him in this magazine? I am not asking rhetorical questions. I have not seen evidence that he wished the magazine to retract "false statements".

Fr. Cekada wrote an article on the validity of ordinations and consecrations done by Freemasons, that may be worth reading. This is not to praise of everything he did as a person, I am simply sharing to ensure everyone is as well-informed as possible, because Father was known to have well-sourced articles. https://www.traditionalmass.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/MasonicBishops.pdf