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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 2123 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #85 on: Today at 08:18:07 AM »
Because of the doubt arising from the suspicion he may have withheld intention.
You keep speaking in generalities.  This thread is about specifics.

What is the "suspicion" you speak of?  Do you realize that not all suspicions are true?  The suspicion could be wrong?  Just having a suspicion means nothing.  That's equal to an opinion.  So, be specific.  What is the suspicion and what is based on?

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #86 on: Today at 08:53:49 AM »
You keep speaking in generalities.  This thread is about specifics.

What is the "suspicion" you speak of?  Do you realize that not all suspicions are true?  The suspicion could be wrong?  Just having a suspicion means nothing.  That's equal to an opinion.  So, be specific.  What is the suspicion and what is based on?

This situation is similar to TIA accusing Archbishop Lefebvre of being a Freemason because someone overheard a seminarian mention it. Then they try to defend their wild accusation because some Masonic publication mentions the Archbishop. But if I recall correctly, TIA said the main proof was that a seminarian said it and he would not lie!


Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #87 on: Today at 09:06:33 AM »
This situation is similar to TIA accusing Archbishop Lefebvre of being a Freemason because someone overheard a seminarian mention it. Then they try to defend their wild accusation because some Masonic publication mentions the Archbishop. But if I recall correctly, TIA said the main proof was that a seminarian said it and he would not lie!

Sorry Mr. G. Normally you are a good poster, but this time you are way off base.

I will explain why, and hopefully you can reflect and come back.

Some reasons it is absurd to make this comparison are: The accusation was not a spurious one because it was Angelus Press publicly stating this, unlike one seminarian. Even less spurious because Thucs clear mental instability makes the possibility of habitual simulation quite possible. 

The suggestion that Lefebvre was a Mason, even coming from a seminarian, could indeed be listened to but they would have to some else to suggest that it might be true.With Lefebvre there is none of this, with Thuc there absolutely is. We see how much he flip flopped. So it is very reasonable to be suspicious of his Sacraments being simulated. 


There has been way to much tradecuмenism going on even in our own resistance ranks, where we have far too kind to the Thucists. We can't afford to be. CMRI is becoming very popular and the risk that people will lose their souls to them is now much higher than in the past. 


Plus also how will people look on us as the remnant, if we are such doctrinal fαɢɢօts by telling people Thuc line and SSPX are ok? If that is the case then why even consecrate our own Bishops like we have? It makes no sense, and is certainly not the spirit of the Martyrs.

And the TIA comparison also falls flat on its face because they are a pure cult who could never make up their mind who they were with in terms of episcopal lines.

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #88 on: Today at 09:08:06 AM »
You keep speaking in generalities.  This thread is about specifics.

What is the "suspicion" you speak of?  Do you realize that not all suspicions are true?  The suspicion could be wrong?  Just having a suspicion means nothing.  That's equal to an opinion.  So, be specific.  What is the suspicion and what is based on?


Are you just trying to annoy me ? Really? Is that a serious question?

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #89 on: Today at 09:09:12 AM »
That argument does not work as +Liénart alone ordained +Lefebvre. Majority of theologians held that one can not be consecrated a bishop without first having been ordained a priest.

I would look into the allegations of +Liénart being a freemason. From what I understand they are at best questionable, having appeared (without a source(?) shades of The Angelus??) in a later edition of the list of Freemasons in the Church hierarchy...although +Lefebvre *allegedly* stated that he believed +Liénart to have been a Freemason (*allegedly* in speeches on May 11, 1976 in Minneapolis, MN and May 27, 1976 in Montreal, Québec) and +Williamson did in EC No. 450 "Bishops Valid? -II" Feb. 27, 2016: "The Cardinal [Liénart] was a leading neo-modernist at Vatican II, and surely a Freemason himself."


That is not a majority opinion.