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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 1513 times)

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #80 on: Today at 03:18:32 AM »
Not so fast.  If you're going to hold this uncatholic, rigorist position for +Thuc, then you'd also have to hold it for +ABL, who would be doubtful because Liénart who consecrated him was a freemason heretic. 

If you hold that +Thuc, who was Traditional, had a mental lapse and his intention was invalid, then...
you have to hold that Liénart, who was a heretic mason, had an anti-catholic intention which was surely invalid.

You have to be consistent.
double consecration. therefore even if he was a mason, its still valid.

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #81 on: Today at 05:42:38 AM »
The whole story about "withheld intention" is a distortion of something Bp. Thuc said that does seem to be true, where he expressed regret for having consecrated the Palmarians due to their fall from the Church later on.

But someone who thinks "I should not have done that" and "I did not do that" are two equivalent statements is a bit dense in the head, obviously.
Yes, this.

What tom is missing is "the times."

To have trad bishops ordaining trad priests outside of the conciliar church was one thing, but to be consecrating bishops, well, for trads of those days, that was something that was confusing, believed to be gravely wrong - and it was essentially unheard of in the mid 1970s and 80s. Among most trads that heard of +Thuc doing such a thing, he was thought to be crazy, scandalous, senile, or whatever. Rumors abounded, many rumors were ridiculous, often they were wild and all over the place.
   
Those who believe +Thuc withheld proper intention simply and wrongfully believe one of those old, wild, ridiculous rumors, but apparently there's no correcting them.