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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 4209 times)

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Offline hgodwinson

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2026, 06:13:55 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on March 11, 2026, 06:12:46 PM
From what I recall, the holy chrism that is necessary to ordain priests was blessed by a false Vatican II bishop and used to ordain SSPX priests.

Because a Vatican II priest has invalid rites, their blessings are worthless, making the matter used for the sacrament of ordainment invalid. A Vatican II priest is basically a layman (worse than a layman because they impersonate Christ's ministers).
Thank you for this. I will look into it. 
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Offline Lazarus

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2026, 06:20:58 PM »
Quote from: hgodwinson on March 11, 2026, 06:13:55 PM
Thank you for this. I will look into it.
I apologize for rashly calling you a polytheist.

Your words reminded me of someone I particularly loathe, who made the same claims Thuc's ordinations were invalid but at the same time he thought there was nothing wrong with Vatican II.

Vatican II "Catholics" in France voted mostly for Macron, who legalized euthanαzιa, and who decided to put the murder of children in the french Constitution.

False Catholics even published books to defend euthanαzιa. 

I don't have enough words for how much I loathe those traitors.


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Online MiracleOfTheSun

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2026, 06:39:04 PM »
Quote from: Mr G on March 11, 2026, 03:00:39 PM
Remember, Fr. Jenkins also concludes that Bishop Williamson is just a deacon. So, he has been known to interpret evidence in unique ways that are most likely not correct.

I have never heard this one before. When and where did he say that and what is he basing that on? That sounds really (like, really) left field.
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Online MiracleOfTheSun

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2026, 06:48:05 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on March 11, 2026, 06:12:46 PM
From what I recall, the holy chrism that is necessary to ordain priests was blessed by a false Vatican II bishop and used to ordain SSPX priests.

Because a Vatican II priest has invalid rites, their blessings are worthless, making the matter used for the sacrament of ordainment invalid.

Edit : I have to be honest so I tell you, I am not entirely sure of what I am saying. It caused enough doubts for me to stop going to SSPX masses.

Are you referring to the Bogus Ordo bishop Huonder? He did the oils for the SSPX a couple of years ago. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2026, 07:50:56 PM »
Quote from: hgodwinson on March 11, 2026, 05:48:26 PM
Valid priests who still hold the Catholic faith can be found in the lines of Lefebvre and Mendez. 
Not so fast.  If you're going to hold this uncatholic, rigorist position for +Thuc, then you'd also have to hold it for +ABL, who would be doubtful because Liénart who consecrated him was a freemason heretic. 

If you hold that +Thuc, who was Traditional, had a mental lapse and his intention was invalid, then...
you have to hold that Liénart, who was a heretic mason, had an anti-catholic intention which was surely invalid.

You have to be consistent.
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