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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 1210 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #55 on: Today at 04:33:30 PM »
I don't know (or care) what Fr Jenkins said, but Fr Cekada wrote a lengthy summary of the matter.  The investigation has already been done.  Eye-witnesses have already been talked to.  Statements have already been made.

https://traditionalmass.org/articles/thuc-abp/the-validity-of-the-thuc-consecrations/


Those who actually knew him dismiss these accusations anyway. Dr. Eberhard Heller, who was present at both consecrations, attested under oath that Abp. Thuc “conferred the consecrations in full possession of his intellectual powers.”[39] Bp. Guérard likewise stated Abp. Thuc was of “sound mind,” “perfectly lucid,”[40] and “had the intention to do what the Church does.”[41] The Rev. Thomas Fouhy, a traditional priest from New Zealand, spent two days in Toulon, France with Abp. Thuc in 1983. The archbishop, Father Fouhy related, was “nobody’s fool,” and discussed with competence various issues in theology and canon law. He even regaled Father Fouhy with details about his trip to New Zealand in 1963. Father Fouhy added that there was no doubt that Abp. Thuc was competent.[42]

So too, even the Archbishop’s enemies in the traditional movement. The Revs. Noël Barbara and Gustave Dalmasure visited Abp. Thuc separately in January 1982. Both opposed the consecrations and are still critical of Abp. Thuc. But both still attest that he was in perfect possession of his faculties.

Father Barbara says that the validity of the consecrations is beyond question. He believes the Conciliar Church started the rumor attacking Abp. Thuc’s sanity.[43]

A February 1988 interview, conducted under oath, with Dr. Kurt Hiller, who was present at both consecrations and who held the ritual book (The Roman Pontifical) for Abp. Thuc as he performed the rite of consecration.[14]

A sworn affidavit of Dr. Eberhard Heller, who was also present at both consecrations, attesting that Bps. Guérard, Carmona and Zamora were consecrated bishops by Abp. Thuc and that “The consecrations followed The Roman Pontifical (Rome: 1908).”[15]




Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #56 on: Today at 04:39:22 PM »
Hmmm, I wonder what you would think of a certain Archbishop who said the new Mass, accidentally started an antichrist cult and died in communion with the heretic pictured.
Hmmm, by 'cult, are you referring to the Blue Oyster Bay Cult founded by Fr. Kelly (ex military intel) and Mr. Santay?


Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #57 on: Today at 04:41:37 PM »
Hmmm, by 'cult, are you referring to the Blue Oyster Bay Cult founded by Fr. Kelly (ex military intel) and Mr. Santay?
No, I was referring to the Palmarians. But nice ragebait. ;)

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #58 on: Today at 04:47:53 PM »
I don't know (or care) what Fr Jenkins said, but Fr Cekada wrote a lengthy summary of the matter.  The investigation has already been done.  Eye-witnesses have already been talked to.  Statements have already been made.

https://traditionalmass.org/articles/thuc-abp/the-validity-of-the-thuc-consecrations/


Those who actually knew him dismiss these accusations anyway. Dr. Eberhard Heller, who was present at both consecrations, attested under oath that Abp. Thuc “conferred the consecrations in full possession of his intellectual powers.”[39] Bp. Guérard likewise stated Abp. Thuc was of “sound mind,” “perfectly lucid,”[40] and “had the intention to do what the Church does.”[41] The Rev. Thomas Fouhy, a traditional priest from New Zealand, spent two days in Toulon, France with Abp. Thuc in 1983. The archbishop, Father Fouhy related, was “nobody’s fool,” and discussed with competence various issues in theology and canon law. He even regaled Father Fouhy with details about his trip to New Zealand in 1963. Father Fouhy added that there was no doubt that Abp. Thuc was competent.[42]

So too, even the Archbishop’s enemies in the traditional movement. The Revs. Noël Barbara and Gustave Dalmasure visited Abp. Thuc separately in January 1982. Both opposed the consecrations and are still critical of Abp. Thuc. But both still attest that he was in perfect possession of his faculties.

Father Barbara says that the validity of the consecrations is beyond question. He believes the Conciliar Church started the rumor attacking Abp. Thuc’s sanity.[43]

A February 1988 interview, conducted under oath, with Dr. Kurt Hiller, who was present at both consecrations and who held the ritual book (The Roman Pontifical) for Abp. Thuc as he performed the rite of consecration.[14]

A sworn affidavit of Dr. Eberhard Heller, who was also present at both consecrations, attesting that Bps. Guérard, Carmona and Zamora were consecrated bishops by Abp. Thuc and that “The consecrations followed The Roman Pontifical (Rome: 1908).”[15]



Thuc Clergy investigating their own line. Riiiiiiight. Sounds super objective.

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #59 on: Today at 04:49:07 PM »
No, I was referring to the Palmarians. But nice ragebait.
So you agree the SSPV is a bloody cult of mostly lay larpers. Good.