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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2026, 02:42:18 PM »
Quote from: hgodwinson on March 11, 2026, 02:31:36 PM
I wasn’t making any sort of syllogism. If you look at the post I responded to, the guy was being a melodramatic, dogmatic sedevacantist,  saying any Catholic who is not also a sedevacantist is going to hell. I just wanted to know how he would react to some truths about Archbishop Thuc after his exile. Maybe they might prompt him to research the issue a little further, and look into more sources than Father Cekada (after leaving the SSPV) and the CMRI.
Revelation 3:15-16 Jesus said: “I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other! But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!
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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2026, 02:43:20 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on March 11, 2026, 01:37:43 PM
How do you know that is the letter the Angelus was referring to? If you are referring to Fr. Jenkins' claim about having interviewed Dr. Hiller and Dr. Heller and recording it on tape, it is referenced and transcribed in "The Sacred and the Profane" by Bishop Kelly. His book is available online. https://congregationofstpiusv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SacredandProfane.pdf

I will email Fr. Jenkins myself and ask if he has produced these recordings and if not, to please do so. I will get back to everyone here about that.
Fr. Zepeda travelled to Germany and interviewed Dr. Heller. The 2 part videos were released  4 months ago. https://youtu.be/3l2qRy9wAGI?si=fgjHvWUyyIZQyBN6
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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2026, 03:00:17 PM »
Quote from: MiserereMei on March 11, 2026, 02:43:20 PM
Fr. Zepeda travelled to Germany and interviewed Dr. Heller. The 2 part videos were released  4 months ago. https://youtu.be/3l2qRy9wAGI?si=fgjHvWUyyIZQyBN6
Yes, thank you, I have watched those. They did not ask questions of Dr. Heller that Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Kelly and Fr. Sanborn asked in Munich, in the 80s. 
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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2026, 03:00:39 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on March 11, 2026, 01:37:43 PM
How do you know that is the letter the Angelus was referring to? If you are referring to Fr. Jenkins' claim about having interviewed Dr. Hiller and Dr. Heller and recording it on tape, it is referenced and transcribed in "The Sacred and the Profane" by Bishop Kelly. His book is available online. https://congregationofstpiusv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SacredandProfane.pdf

I will email Fr. Jenkins myself and ask if he has produced these recordings and if not, to please do so. I will get back to everyone here about that.
Remember, Fr. Jenkins also concludes that Bishop Williamson is just a deacon. So, he has been known to interpret evidence in unique ways that are most likely not correct.
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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2026, 03:01:21 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 11, 2026, 01:44:55 PM
Where is the letter, then?  Where is ANY letter where +Thuc admitted this?  Without PROOF that +Thuc said he withheld intention, then you must, PER CANON LAW, presume validity.
Who cares who Fr Jenkins interviewed?  This proves nothing.  It's hearsay.  It's just opinion.  Unless Fr Jenkins interviewed +Thuc personally, then this interview with 3rd parties isn't any kind of proof.

How about I have a taped interview with Matthew, the owner of this site, and we discuss the fact that the user, Maria Dolorosa, is a fake catholic?  Is our interview proof of anything?  Of course not.
Dr. Hiller and Dr. Heller were witnesses to the +Thuc consecrations.
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