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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 694 times)

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 10:38:10 PM »
I did read what he wrote, before I responded to you.

My post directed to you was not an admonition, I wanted real answers to my real questions.

Sharing something from a saint is just that: sharing something from a saint. I did so because it is rash to say Tom is not in the state of grace, worse than a pagan, and a satanist. He did not accuse you of such things.
No, it is not rash to say that someone who does not have the Catholic faith is not in a state of grace. In fact, saying the opposite would be a mortal sin on my part.

It seems you are confused and do not understand what being in communion with a polytheist logically entails. Maybe you need to study basic theology. Praying to false gods immediately means praying to demons, this is all very basic pre-conciliary theology that Vatican II denies for obvious reasons.

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 10:58:58 PM »
Proof of my assertions :

A)Regarding all false idols being demons

1 Corinthians 10:20 (Douay-Rheims):
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"But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils."
Deuteronomy 32:17:
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"They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not."
Psalm 95:5 (96:5 Hebrew numbering):
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"For all the gods of the nations are idols [demons]: but the Lord made the heavens."
Tertullien (De Spectaculis, ch. 13)
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"Not that an idol is anything, as the apostle says, but that the homage they render is to demons, who are the real occupants of these consecrated images, whether of dead men or (as they think) of gods. On this account, therefore, because they have a common source — for their dead and their deities are one — we abstain from both idolatries."
B)On the gravity of praying with heretics or to be in communion with heretics :

Canon 64:

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"If any clergymen, or laymen, enter a ѕуηαgσgυє of Jews, or of heretics, to pray, let him be both deposed and excommunicated."
Saint Jean Chrysostome

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"If the Jews themselves are violating the Law by going into their ѕуηαgσgυєs and offering sacrifices... how much more is not that Christian violating the law who prays along with the crucifiers of Christ?"
Saint-Office (1888)
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"Catholics must avoid all communicatio in sacris [communion in sacred things] with schismatics and heretics."
Pie XI, Mortalium Animos (1928), §9
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"Everyone knows that John himself, the Apostle of love... altogether forbade any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ's teaching: 'If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you.'" (2 John 10)

C)About Vatican II false popes worshipping false idols :

One example here :

https://fsspx.news/en/news/look-back-pachamama-scandal-22839

Another example here, of Francis praying in a ѕуηαgσgυє despite the fact it's explicitly forbbiden by canon 64 :

https://www.voanews.com/a/pope-francis-rome-ѕуηαgσgυє/3150671.html




Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 11:21:35 PM »

You are in communion with a heretic who claims that buddhists and hinduists, when praying to their false pagan idols, are praying to God. You also believe that native americans when praying to the earth goddess are in communion with the Catholic Church. That makes you in communion with Satan himself. It's time for you to face the truth, you are a pagan, worse, you are a satanist !
Hmmm, I wonder what you would think of a certain Archbishop who said the new Mass, accidentally started an antichrist cult and died in communion with the heretic pictured. 

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 11:34:59 PM »
Hmmm, I wonder what you would think of a certain Archbishop who said the new Mass, accidentally started an antichrist cult and died in communion with the heretic pictured.
I would say you should be worried about your own soul, after all it is impossible to save a dead person. 



Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #24 on: Today at 12:59:03 AM »
I would say you should be worried about your own soul, after all it is impossible to save a dead person.
Which is exactly why I don’t receive sacraments from Thuc-line ministers and encourage others not to.