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Author Topic: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?  (Read 2708 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #140 on: Today at 12:58:25 PM »
Again, I can tell you did not read his article "Two Bishops in Every Garage". 
There is nothing in that thesis which gives evidence that +Thuc was insane.  The conclusion of the thesis is -- avoid +Thuc because he's trying to setup a parallel church authority structure and he hangs out with schismatics.

What's ironic is that Fr Cekada wrote that piece in 1982, published it in Jan 1983.  One of his main points of contention with +Thuc was that +Thuc believed that Pope Pius XII was the last true pope and that sedeprivationism was a joke.

Then later that year, in 1983, Fr Cekada left the sspx and became a Sede.  :laugh2:

Fr Cekada never said +Thuc was insane, he just disagreed with him (at first) on Sedevacantism, which he later agreed with.  

Another "nothing burger" article.

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #141 on: Today at 01:35:37 PM »
There is nothing in that thesis which gives evidence that +Thuc was insane.  The conclusion of the thesis is -- avoid +Thuc because he's trying to setup a parallel church authority structure and he hangs out with schismatics.

What's ironic is that Fr Cekada wrote that piece in 1982, published it in Jan 1983.  One of his main points of contention with +Thuc was that +Thuc believed that Pope Pius XII was the last true pope and that sedeprivationism was a joke.

Then later that year, in 1983, Fr Cekada left the sspx and became a Sede.  :laugh2:

Fr Cekada never said +Thuc was insane, he just disagreed with him (at first) on Sedevacantism, which he later agreed with. 

Another "nothing burger" article.
Father Cekada got infected with the right wing of liberalism which is Sedevacantism.


Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #142 on: Today at 02:02:48 PM »
Father Cekada got infected with the right wing of liberalism which is Sedevacantism.
You got infected with severe cognitive dissonance and you are going to ignore every single time a Vatican-II "Pope" said an heresy, prayed to false idols, or covered up child rapists. 

Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #143 on: Today at 02:16:29 PM »
For those who have not already, please read through my long post, I am simply quoting from other people, because it is important we are informed on the same things. There is no hurry, please take your time.

I will relate again an important fact, which is sourced in my long post.

Dr. Hiller, witness to the +Thuc consecrations, said that he was told by +Thuc himself, that +Thuc simulated a sacrament in the New Mass, so The Angelus' claim of him simulating the sacrament with the Palmer Bishop, is consistent with his behaviour. The reason Dr. Hiller even knew this, is because Drs. Hiller and Heller were shocked at +Thuc's decision to assist at the New Mass, in light of his recent conversion, if you will, to Tradition, and demanded an explanation from +Thuc.

What happened was +Thuc was given a small place to hear confessions in the Novus Ordo cathedral, and thought it would be ingratitude not to celebrate the New Mass there when asked to, but felt he was at the same time obliged to be faithful to Tradition, by withholding consent during the consecration.


This is not hearsay, and was related by Fr. Noel Barbara, a French priest who interviewed +Thuc in March of 1981, and January of 1982. This event is even conceded by Fr. Cekada, who was pro-+Thuc for a good portion of his time as a priest. In fact, he was one of the first ones to write an extensive article, relating these occurences, and analyzing the +Thuc consecrations, entitled "Two Bishops in Every Garage", when he was anti-+Thuc. This article may be read from p. 287, and contains many citations: https://congregationofstpiusv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SacredandProfane.pdf

There are many other occurrences recorded in Fr. Cekada's article, which bring a lot of doubt to one's mind about the functioning of +Thuc's mental faculties.

Anyone who has had interactions with the elderly who have dementia, understand that such a person can be lucid, and appear normal in some ways, while in other ways can be unpredictable, irrational, and rash in decision-making. And so, it is not unimaginable that a similar degeneration of the brain was probably happening with Archbishop Thuc, perhaps brought on earlier from the immense shock of his brothers being killed in Vietnam, and being exiled in Rome by Paul VI. Stress affects one's health greatly, it is even said of Pope St. Pius X that his heart literally broke soon after WWI began, and he died of a heart attack. From my view, in light of this information, that is the most charitable way to view +Thuc's behaviour.


When we look at the entire issue where The Angelus article appears, we can see the context for the statement regarding the Palmer situation. Archbishop Lefebvre was visiting America, and was interviewed with many questions, including being asked about +Thuc. I will repost it again here.

+Lefebvre claimed that +Thuc appeared to have lost all reason.

Was not the Archbishop aware of what was being said of him in this magazine? I am not asking rhetorical questions. I have not seen evidence that he wished the magazine to retract "false statements".

Fr. Cekada wrote an article on the validity of ordinations and consecrations done by Freemasons, that may be worth reading. This is not to praise of everything he did as a person, I am simply sharing to ensure everyone is as well-informed as possible, because Father was known to have well-sourced articles. https://www.traditionalmass.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/MasonicBishops.pdf
If you are correct, then the Catholic Church fell, and that's it.

There is literally no valid line of priests left.

If your objective is to make people apostasy, then you are doing excellent work.

Satan must be laughing so hard watching traditionalists savagely attack each other like this.

You guys are similar to crabs in a basket, desperately trying to pull everyone in hell with you. That is the most solid evidence there is something wrong with your "faith". 

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there evidence that +Thuc ordinations are invalid?
« Reply #144 on: Today at 02:22:10 PM »
If you are correct, then the Catholic Church fell, and that's it.

There is literally no valid line of priests left.

If your objective is to make people apostasy, then you are doing excellent work.

Satan must be laughing so hard watching traditionalists savagely attack each other like this.

You guys are similar to crabs in a basket, desperately trying to pull everyone in hell with you. That is the most solid evidence there is something wrong with your "faith".
You're correct.  Their lack of understanding of canon law and sacramental theology would make all Trad clerics suspect.  And they wouldn't even understand why.  Thankfully, they are wrong.  Thankfully, the Church isn't a democracy.