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Offline ByzCat3000

Evangelizing Protestants
« on: April 19, 2019, 05:39:53 PM »
I'm probably one of the less stridently traditionalist members of *this* forum, but I'm still definitely more trad/have a more pessimistic view of the situation than any of the Catholics I know in real life, most of whom are converts and are themselves very serious about their faith, but are more comfortable than I am with Vatican II.

I realize there's a spectrum of opinion on this forum regarding precisely HOW bad the current crisis is, but there's a general across the board agreement that its pretty bad, that things aren't the way they need to be in the Church.

My question for all of you, no matter what position you take, you're going to have Protestants come to you and say "see, this is proof that the Church has failed.  The Catholic Church really isn't what it says it is, look, Vatican II says, or at least strongly implies, that I don't seriously need to fear for my soul as I am, that I can be saved just as I am, so why do I even need to convert?"

I realize the nuances are gonna differ depending on the person, but just in general, how do you show a person that he needs the Catholic Church, in our current situation? 
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Offline Shrewd Operator

Re: Evangelizing Protestants
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2019, 07:43:31 PM »
First start with the 4 marks of the Church.

Show how only the Catholic Church truly has all 4.

Show how the protestant churches lacked them and the decay that hit them faster and harder than the true Church.

Then show how the hierarchy failed by trying to be protestant at VII and since. Point out the rapid decline that then necessarily followed in the modern Church.

Show that those in the True Church who refused the novelty were preserved from the decay. Then point out those protestant parishes (Our Lady of Walsingham and other Anglicans) that sought to join even the Novus Ordo to escape the madness of their decaying false church. 

You can draw parallels with Liberalism and Communism. Those false systems destroyed the peoples of the East. The West resisted for some time, but the Europeans began to adopt them and are starting to collapse. In America, we are following them but more slowly: the results however, will be the same.

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Offline Your Friend Colin

Re: Evangelizing Protestants
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2019, 07:54:25 PM »
Hit em with the EENS. Works every time.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Evangelizing Protestants
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2019, 08:02:17 PM »
Sedevacantism is the best answer to those Protestants, stating that the Church has been infiltrated and taken over by imposters.  But even that's a difficult battle.

Otherwise, yes, that is a problem, if the Magisterium and Universal Discipline can go off the rails, to the point that the Novus Ordo lacks the marks of the true Church, then the Protestant criticisms of the Catholic Church are very difficult to overcome.

"Yes, Mr. Protestant, we must be subject to the Pope in order to be saved.  But the Pope can become so bad that we cannot be subject to him sometimes."  Say what?  What if Martin Luther was one of those times?

Basically, the light of the Church to the world has gone into eclipse and has been hidden under a bushel.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Evangelizing Protestants
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2019, 08:11:50 PM »

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Sedevacantism is the best answer to those Protestants, stating that the Church has been infiltrated and taken over by imposters.  But even that's a difficult battle.
Are you a Sedevacantist yourself?  From my browsing of the forum it seemed to me that you take some middle ground position? 



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Otherwise, yes, that is a problem, if the Magisterium and Universal Discipline can go off the rails, to the point that the Novus Ordo lacks the marks of the true Church, then the Protestant criticisms of the Catholic Church are very difficult to overcome.



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"Yes, Mr. Protestant, we must be subject to the Pope in order to be saved.  But the Pope can become so bad that we cannot be subject to him sometimes."  Say what?  What if Martin Luther was one of those times?

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