Author Topic: Eucharistic Miracles post-Vatican II (Read 5232 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2014, 12:26:07 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Mabel
I can think of a few things:
1. It may actually be a miracle
2. Threshold for miracles is lower, definition of a miracle has changed
3. Sensationalism, people thinking they saw something they did not, but convince themselves
4. Evil could be involved
5. It is a hoax

These incidents only give a snapshot of the event, often in the NO, little details are swept under the rug, look at Medjugorie and the fraud that it is.

Well, these are the "approved" miracles. If you click on the website and look for the specific country you will find the story behind it as well as the scientific investigations. They certainly seem legit.

I guess this is making me question the validity of the NO Mass. If these are real, then why would Christ make Himself present at a mass that is not legit? Of course, I'm dealing with NewChurch's "approval" so you never know what to believe anymore.

That is it. Someone with no authority "approves" it.

Mabel · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2014, 12:42:05 PM »

I think there can be a lot of motivation to create a hoax. Especially where the NO is really hurting financially. Keep your church open, have a miracle!

Do we really trust these guys to investigate matters properly? Their heads are so full of social justice, community, and not judging, I'm not sure they can even define the word "miracle".

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2014, 12:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Mabel

I think there can be a lot of motivation to create a hoax. Especially where the NO is really hurting financially. Keep your church open, have a miracle!

Do we really trust these guys to investigate matters properly? Their heads are so full of social justice, community, and not judging, I'm not sure they can even define the word "miracle".

Correct. They drop the bread all over the place and step on it during the "Pope" rock fests where the immodest fornicators take it in their hands and pop it in their mouths like a potato chip.

Petertherock · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2014, 01:14:55 PM »

Or it could be that they are real miracles and the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is actually present in the NO. There are a lot of good and holy NO priests out there. There are a lot of good Catholics that go to the NO either because they have no trad Mass around or because they haven't been to a trad Mass for whatever reason. There are some NO Catholics that live the Catholic Faith better then some trads I have seen or come across on forums.

Obviously, the NO Mass is a crap shoot...one of the reasons I don't attend...you never know if you are going to have a good priest that has the right intentions or if you will have a clown Mass. But I believe, out of the Goodness of God's mercy, he is present at the NO Mass for the sake of the few good Catholics that are trying to live the Faith as best as they can.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2014, 01:19:46 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

Or it could be that they are real miracles and the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is actually present in the NO. There are a lot of good and holy NO priests out there. There are a lot of good Catholics that go to the NO either because they have no trad Mass around or because they haven't been to a trad Mass for whatever reason. There are some NO Catholics that live the Catholic Faith better then some trads I have seen or come across on forums.

Obviously, the NO Mass is a crap shoot...one of the reasons I don't attend...you never know if you are going to have a good priest that has the right intentions or if you will have a clown Mass. But I believe, out of the Goodness of God's mercy, he is present at the NO Mass for the sake of the few good Catholics that are trying to live the Faith as best as they can.

We have only objective truth to go by. Sacramental theology teaches what we are to believe in regards to the Real Presence in the Novus Ordo. This in regards to the "consecration" of "bishops" "ordination" of "priests" and the "consecration" of the bread by in invalid "priest" "ordained" by an invalid "bishop" using an invalid "consecration" formula which changes the meaning what the words are supposed to convey.

We should not even being looking to the Novus Ordo for anything. There are miracles at Medjigorie as well.