Author Topic: Eucharistic miracle of Buenos Aires. (Read 1245 times)

Jehanne · « **on:** January 29, 2014, 09:06:25 PM »

For me, it looks completely genuine:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/what_the_secular_media_doesnt_know_about_pope_francis.html

What say you?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2014, 11:22:16 PM »

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Stan:
Whadaya know! Who woulda thought there'd be a Eucharistic miracle in Buenos Aires? I know a few people who wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole!

Dave:
Ain't that right. Say, where's all the sedes on this thread?

Stan:
Yeah, sedes! What'd you think -- they're gonna show up here? For what, to whine?

Dave:
Not whine, more like chirp.

Stan:
Chirp? Chirp!? What in the heck are you talking about, chirp?

Dave:
All I hear is crickets.

Stan:
Crickets?

Dave:
Yeah, sede crickets.

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Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2014, 12:49:11 AM »

Seems legit, but I don't see why it has any effect on Francis or he having any effect on it.

Miracles didn't stop happening any other time we had bad popes, or two popes or no popes.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:24:57 AM »

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Just because we have a cardinal coming out of Buenos Aires to become pope even though his faith looks pretty shaky, doesn't mean there is little faith in the city from whence he came. God doesn't give miracles to unfaithful people. So there must be a lot of them in town. And don't think that the shortage of CLM sites (Canonized Latin Mass) means there can't be many faithful. There are a lot of good Catholics who are still locked into the NovusOrdo apparatus.

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Stubborn · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:46:58 AM »

From the article:
On August 18, 1996 in Buenos Aires, Argentina, at Holy mass, a woman disc.............

I was about to hit the red "x" when I read only this far - - "Holy mass" my foot!

At any rate, whatever it may be we've already been warned about:

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. - Mat 24:24

ggreg · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2014, 05:53:40 AM »

More information is needed here. I am skeptical of scientists who seem to specialize in researching miracles, then sell books and lecture about it.

This guy reminded me of a used car salesman in the video.

They need to publish the details of the experiments and make them available to the public. Is that too much to ask? Or are we supposed to take their word for it. Why wouldn't they publish a paper about this amazing find?

Why hasn't the Church approved of the miracle as worthy of belief? After all, the Cardinal of that diocese is now Pope. What a great miracle to have in your own diocese. Why would you not prioritise a full on investigation and approval process if you are trying to grow people's faith.

They also need to have more objective scientists examine the sample and have the study peer reviewed. Zugibe and Castanon are known religious scientists who may be biased and may have ulterior motives. Zugibe examined and approved of Catalina Rivas who is a fake stigmatist - so I am very cautious about his conclusions on the supposed eucharistic miracle.

Not sure I believe that Zugibe was clueless about the nature of the sample he was examining, since he is known for miracle research and received it from a scientist who is known for miracle research. Castanon should have sent a sample to a more objective scientist or several scientists for the sake of credibility. Plus, the story about the host has two versions - one says it was discovered stuck to a candlestick holder in the back of the church and another version says it was dropped during communion. Which is it? Castanon and Zugibe also have differing stories about the experimental process as well.

Finally, if Our Lord was going to turn a host into his physical cellular flesh then why not find a host consecrated at a Tridentine Mass? Using a host from a New Mass sends a message that the new mass is hunky dory with God. Given how they hand the host out like chewing gum, that would seem to me to be self defeating.

Yeah, yeah, Transubstantiation is real. Here, put your grubby hands out.

So I remain unconvinced.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:24:00 PM »

Given there hasn't been an approved Eucharistic miracle in the Latin Rite since just before Vatican II/the Novus Ordo was implemented, I won't hold my breath.

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2014, 07:17:36 PM »

Just remember, the True Mass is a miracle every time! Maybe the New Order is looking for attention?