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Offline Matthew

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Re: the Quinity?
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2020, 01:49:03 PM »
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  • @Matthew

    Is this a trad forum or not?

    If it is a trad forum, is it legitimate to discuss rubrics of the trad Mass, including the bells?

    Further, both the Stedman's and the St. Andrew Missals (as posted above) blow your "never" to hell.

    Even though you were wrong, this tempest-in-a-teapot is hardly worth your typical over-reaction.


    You know what, Mark?  That's twice today, on two completely different subjects, that you've flown off the handle with emotion aimed at me. (The other was the "Gray man" topic, at which you mumbled something about a double standard).
    Anyone can get into the heat of an argument, even with the moderator (long-standing members will confirm this, and how I usually permit it with no problem).
    I'm not against a good debate, argument, criticism, or disagreement.

    But I'm seeing a pattern here. Two different subjects? Both of them quite inconsequential? And you're attacking me personally with both of them?
    I don't know what your problem is. You seem to really hate my guts, like you're miserable here because of my presence.

    Apparently you and I aren't meant to get along, even if we're both serious, devout Catholics. That saddens me actually. But it's nevertheless true.
    Maybe it's like having two roosters in the same flock.

    At any rate, you need AT MINIMUM some time to cool down, as you seem to be in quite an emotional state of anger towards me this fine November afternoon.

    So I'm re-instating your ban from CathInfo for now.

    God speed.
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    Re: the Quinity?
    « Reply #31 on: June 06, 2021, 04:02:15 PM »
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    I don't know what happened to the first post of this thread -- that much was apparently deleted. I didn't delete the thread, or the rest of these posts wouldn't still be here in the database. I didn't exactly delete all Mark79's posts either -- because, again, they're all still here in the thread. Stuff that's deleted is gone for good.

    So I don't know what happened. I just spent the last 15 minutes messing around in the database, trying to revive or salvage this thread, so it would show up again. I didn't think I would have deleted a thread about bells at the consecration. Sure enough, I didn't.

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    Offline clarkaim

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    Re: the Quinity?
    « Reply #32 on: June 09, 2021, 10:16:05 AM »
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  • If anything, many SSPX chapels do just a single ring at the Elevation. SSPX-trained servers tend to do this.

    I grew up at an independent chapel in the 1980's. We're talking about people who *organically remember* the time before Vatican II -- i.e., an unbroken line of Tradition. These early Trads didn't have to "discover" it or flail about trying different things to be "more traditional" -- they just had to remember their own recent past and do what they had always done!

    Between Thomas A. Nelson who set up the chapel and was certainly in charge, the priest who was ordained in 1961 before Vatican II started, and all the parishioners who were born in the Baby Boom generation or earlier -- they collectively knew what they were doing. Nothing non-traditional would have ever gotten through.

    1 ring, 3 rings for the Elevation, then 1 ring. That's how I was trained, and how I still serve Mass today, even though I serve for ex-SSPX priests now.
    I even got a set of bells that is *exactly* the same model I used growing up. Hooray for nostalgia!
    that SSPXism  came from Louis Tofari at St. Vincent's here in KC.  I've argued for years with him that this is not the way it has/was been done Everywhere else, especially as I'm, old enough to remember before the 69/70 changes  .  he claims he got it from an Adrien Fortescue tome he read somewhere.  it sounds stupid and trad dilettante to the extreme.  

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    Re: the Quinity?
    « Reply #33 on: June 09, 2021, 10:37:55 AM »
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  • I think the SSPX takes a lot of their stuff from how the French said Mass pre-V2. I noticed many SSPX chapels ring at the Minor Elevation when my missal says otherwise. Also I want to interject the fact that the number of times the bells are rung isn't necessary for the Mass, it actually kinda boils down to how the priest wants it, every chapel is different in that regards.

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    Re: the Quinity?
    « Reply #34 on: June 09, 2021, 12:42:54 PM »
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  • yeah, like that proprietary missal of theirs that has 1962 emblazoned on the bottom, emphasizing how "loyal" they are to the so called pope, you know the one that has the SECOND Confiteor?  and no rendition of the crucifix at the Te Igitur?  SSPXism for sure.