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 Errors/Heresies typical of an SSPX chapel attendees & priests:

1)  We are free to reject rites promulgated by the Church. [Condemned by Trent Session VII, Canon XIII/Vatican I, Session II]

2)  The Pope can’t be trusted to make judgments on faith and morals. We have to sift what is Catholic. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session IV, Chapter III.]

3) We are free to reject or accept ordinary magisterial teachings from a pope since they can be in error. This rejection may include either the conciliar ‘popes’ when teach heresy or the pre-conciliar popes in order to justify the validity of the conciliar popes jurisdiction, sacraments, etc [Condemned by Vatican I (Dz1792)/Satis Cognitum #15 of Leo XIII]

4)  The Kantian doctrine of unknowability of reality. We can’t know what is heresy, therefore we can’t judge. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session III, Chapter 2: On Revelation, Jn7:24].

5)  The faith of the Pope can fail. Frequently this is expressed as “we work for” or “we pray for the Popes conversion to the Catholic faith”. [condemned by Vatican I and at least 3 earlier councils mentioned above].

6)  Universal salvation, ecuмenism, religious liberty, validity of the Old Covenant, etc. can be interpreted in a Catholic sense. [Condemned by every saint, every doctor of the Church and every Pope who comments on such issues; for instance Pope Eugene IV (Cantate Domino – Council of Florence)]

7)  Contraries can be true. [Hegelian doctrine against Thomistic Philosophy]. If these positions appear to be contradictory, they are.

When I point out these positions are against the Faith, frequently the Hegelian doctrine is employed by those in attendance at the SSPX chapel.

2)  The Pope can’t be trusted to make judgments on faith and morals. We have to sift what is Catholic. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session IV, Chapter III.]

When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

Pope Francis tells us to accept gαys while St. Paul tells us not to associate with them. We look to the Bible where we see what God did to the sodomite cities...

etc etc.

Are we supposed to be stupid and turn our backs on history ?

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2)  The Pope can’t be trusted to make judgments on faith and morals. We have to sift what is Catholic. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session IV, Chapter III.]

When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

Pope Francis tells us to accept gαys while St. Paul tells us not to associate with them. We look to the Bible where we see what God did to the sodomite cities...

etc etc.

Are we supposed to be stupid and turn our backs on history ?

Right.  There is a higher authority than the Pope.  Us.

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2)  The Pope can’t be trusted to make judgments on faith and morals. We have to sift what is Catholic. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session IV, Chapter III.]

When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

Pope Francis tells us to accept gαys while St. Paul tells us not to associate with them. We look to the Bible where we see what God did to the sodomite cities...

etc etc.

Are we supposed to be stupid and turn our backs on history ?

Right.  There is a higher authority than the Pope.  Us.

No, I said there is a higher authority than the Pope, the Gospel. This comes into play when the teaching of a Pope conflicts with the teaching of the Church and other Popes.

Pope Franics, heretic tells us that atheists can go to heaven, this teaching is called anathema in at least one council and contrary to what many other Popes said. The main conflict though is with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament.

Now the question becomes whether I believe what Pope Francis said or whether I believe what Jesus said.

I think I will throw my chips in with Jesus, how about you ? Will you call Jesus a fool or a liar ?

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2)  The Pope can’t be trusted to make judgments on faith and morals. We have to sift what is Catholic. [Condemned by Vatican I, Session IV, Chapter III.]

When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

Pope Francis tells us to accept gαys while St. Paul tells us not to associate with them. We look to the Bible where we see what God did to the sodomite cities...

etc etc.

Are we supposed to be stupid and turn our backs on history ?

Right.  There is a higher authority than the Pope.  Us.

No, I said there is a higher authority than the Pope, the Gospel. This comes into play when the teaching of a Pope conflicts with the teaching of the Church and other Popes.

Pope Franics, heretic tells us that atheists can go to heaven, this teaching is called anathema in at least one council and contrary to what many other Popes said. The main conflict though is with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament.

Now the question becomes whether I believe what Pope Francis said or whether I believe what Jesus said.

I think I will throw my chips in with Jesus, how about you ? Will you call Jesus a fool or a liar ?

But we are the better Judge of the gospel than the "Pope"?  Interesting.  We judge his statements, whether they conform to the Gospel or not.  Why have a Pope then.  You are making us the higher authority if as you say

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When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

Who has the authority to tell us when it is contrary to the Gospel?  You?  the SSPX?

You must be able to grasp the point.

Other Popes and councils back the Gospel, what makes Pope Francis so special.

Your logic is like this:

Judas was an apostle, Judas was chosen by Jesus, we must blindly follow Judas no matter what the context of Judas actions or teaching are. Judas is above reproach.

(don't expect an immediate answer- I have to go to work now, peace.)

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When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

This was never something said before conciliar times.

Judas did not authoritatively bind anything on the Church.  Valid Popes cannot bind things that must be avoided or ignored by true Catholics on the Church.  

An evil spirit entered into Judas. Judas was appointed personally by Jesus to be the steward over the finances of his mission. So why do you think that an evil spirit can also not enter into Pope Francis ?

And you ignore the question of whether Jesus is the liar or it is Pope Francis ? Who knew best, Pope Francis or Jesus ?

Maybe you think St John was a liar too, after all St John stood at foot of the cross while Jesus was hanging from it, Jesus trusted him enough to place his mother in his care- but Pope Francis says atheists can be good while St John says they are anti-Christ, maybe you think Jesus and John were IN on this together ?

Did you see my either thread about that bumper that said this:

A NATION OF SHEEP WILL BE RULED BY PIGS

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When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

I'm not going to let you out of this crossbow.  This is not what a true Catholic says about valid Popes.  Who has the authority to judge whether a valid Pope gives contrary teachings?  Who has the authority to tell us we misunderstood him and this is what he meant? Who tells us he erred or did not err?  Is there as special ecclesiastical title for this position?  Must it be a Bishop and or Cardinal?  Would only retired Popes suffice?  What would you call a person under God but above the Pope in regards to discerning truth and error on faith, morals, liturgy, sacraments, discipline, canon law, councils and canonizations?  I have not heard of such a person and if one exists I am rather perturbed that I never heard of the position or the occupant.  

How about the Saints and previous Popes? That's who I look to when discerning what the last few modernist popes have said and done.

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When a Pope gives contrary teachings of a former Pope or a council, then we need to look to the Gospel to discern what is going on.

I'm not going to let you out of this crossbow.  This is not what a true Catholic says about valid Popes.  Who has the authority to judge whether a valid Pope gives contrary teachings?  Who has the authority to tell us we misunderstood him and this is what he meant? Who tells us he erred or did not err?  Is there as special ecclesiastical title for this position?  Must it be a Bishop and or Cardinal?  Would only retired Popes suffice?  What would you call a person under God but above the Pope in regards to discerning truth and error on faith, morals, liturgy, sacraments, discipline, canon law, councils and canonizations?  I have not heard of such a person and if one exists I am rather perturbed that I never heard of the position or the occupant.  

This Pope is a heretic. Do I think I am more Catholic than the Pope ?

I will tell you this, I am as much a Catholic as the Pope. The difference being that I actually follow what the Church teaches, he does not.

I have spent my entire life in this Church. A lifetime watching Popes who seem to care more about what protestants, buda, muslims, gαys, think, than about the faithful.

This Pope thinks he is a modern day sage.

What makes you think this Pope is a better Pope than the ones who defended the Church and stood by its moral teachings ? I am not an SSPX person, but I will tell you this- in order to place myself under Pope Francis and his agenda, I would have to refute and discard the teachings of St Pope Pius X, I am not willing to do that.

My guess is that before long Pope Francis is going to leave you with egg on your face.