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Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2021, 09:45:59 PM »
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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #16 on: May 04, 2021, 11:32:19 PM »
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  • How did we get to tobacco from the alleged Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican? 

    https://themissingsteps.blogspot.com/2009/12/luciferic-enthronement-ceremony-by.html

    https://www.henrymakow.com/malachi_martin_--.html

    The alleged ceremony was performed in St.Paul's Chapel, not the Chapel of the Blessed Sacrament.

    The Chapel of St.Paul is where the Cardinal Electors meet before they gathered in the Sistine Chapel to
    Elect a Pope.
    The Chapel was dedicated to the Pope as the ultimate protector of the Blessed Sacrament.
    According to a photo that was published in a Catholic magazine, when the Cardinals meant the Chapel was
    in a mess. The crucifix above the altar was missing.  The Chapel was restored during the Pontificate of John
    Paul II.


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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #17 on: May 05, 2021, 06:43:10 AM »
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  • How did we get to tobacco from the alleged Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican?  

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    The alleged ceremony was performed in St.Paul's Chapel, not the Chapel of the Blessed Sacrament.

    The Chapel of St.Paul is where the Cardinal Electors meet before they gathered in the Sistine Chapel to Elect a Pope.
    The Chapel was dedicated to the Pope as the ultimate protector of the Blessed Sacrament.
    According to a photo that was published in a Catholic magazine, when the Cardinals meant the Chapel was in a mess. The crucifix above the altar was missing.  The Chapel was restored during the Pontificate of John Paul II.
    Yes, I too wonder how how we can so trivialise enthroning satan.
    Yes, the desecration / sacrilege allegedly took place in the Pauline Chapel. I think you misunderstood somehow.
    Fr hαɾɾιson said that 
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      I offered a Mass of reparation in the Blessed Sacrament Chapel of St. Peter's on 7/1/96 

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    Yes, I too wonder how how we can so trivialise enthroning satan.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #18 on: May 05, 2021, 10:29:44 AM »
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  • Malachi Martin, unfortunately, was a teller of tall tales ... and can't be trusted.  I'm not sure how exactly he was offering a Mass of reparation when he had been laicized and therefore had no business offering Mass.  There are also reports that he was living with a mistress.

    I knew someone at STAS who went a couple talks in a series of lectures being given by Malachi Martin.  He told me that one was to a group of mostly SSPX types and another to a group of Feeneyites.  During the first talk, he declared that Archbishop Lefebvre was the greatest theologian of the 20th century, while in the second talk he said the same thing of Father Feeney.

    Reportedly Martin was working for Cardinal Bea digging up dirt on the attendees at Vatican II so they could blackmail them into doing what they wanted.

    So this "Agnes" who was tracked down evidently stated that this ritual took place in 1957, not in 1963 as Martin claimed.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 10:42:42 AM »
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  • I find this account perhaps the most compelling:

    https://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/180811


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    At this point in time RCF believes the Catholic population may be ready to hear Agnes' story. (Her name, of course, is not Agnes; that is the name given her by Malachi Martin in his fictionalized retelling of her story). She is a real person, and has gone on to live her life as a faithful Catholic.
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    Agnes has a family and grown children now. She and her husband live in a southern state. Her husband makes a living in law enforcement. I first heard of Agnes' story from a friend in 1996. This friend of mine had met Agnes a few years earlier when she came to him for advice. He never gave me her name or location but only made reference to her situation because it fit into a conversation we were having regarding the Archdiocese of Chicago.

    In 1998, when I first learned who Agnes was, I found that she had been on RCF's mailing list for some time. I also learned that a private investigator, as well as a lawyer from Chicago who had provided RCF with information, had met with Agnes a few years earlier in an attempt to help her find a way to bear witness to what had happened to her. This same investigator and lawyer provided RCF with information they had obtained regarding the alleged sɛҳuąƖ activity of the priest who had abused Agnes many years earlier.

    That priest was the young Joseph Bernardin.

    Over the past 12 years, in sworn deposition, in accounts to investigators, in affidavits submitted in support of others' cases, in direct statements to Bernardin, in phone calls and letters to Church officials, and in correspondence with Vatican officials (all of which RCF has examined), Agnes has testified to the following story:

    In the fall of 1957, in Greenville, S.C., Father Joseph Bernardin raped 11-year-old Agnes as part of a satanic ritual that involved, among others, Bishop John Russell (1897-1993) of Charleston. Brought to the event by an abusive father, Agnes "was able, at first, to resist Bishop Russell physically, out of the knowledge that God had made me good, not bad as I was being told I was" (her words). Bernardin then showed kindness and approval of her resistance, in order to gain her trust and get her to relax, and then he raped her. He followed the rape with a perverted use of a host, in an attempt to make Agnes swallow the guilt of the event.

    In the fall of 1992, Agnes passed a polygraph examination regarding these events. She also, in early 1990, told her story to Malachi Martin, who had been recommended to her as someone who could get her information to the Vatican, which Agnes knew had sole and immediate jurisdiction over such a case. Martin wrote a novel, Windswept House, with the premise that Agnes had given him: that the Catholic hierarchy's tolerance of heresy, liturgical abuse, clerical sɛҳuąƖ misconduct, and clerical pedophilia had one overarching explanation at root: a network of satanists whose smoke had ascended high in the Church.

    Her story is greatly theatricalized in the novel, but the essential fact of ritual rape is there, as is the spiritual reality of Christ's presence in the victimized child. Thirty-four years later, Agnes went to visit Bishop Russell in a nursing home. In and out of lucidity, he agreed to testify against Bernardin if asked. He died without the opportunity to do so.

    So, was there another ceremony taking place in the Vatican at the same time ... or was that an embellishment by Martin?  We may never know.



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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 10:44:19 AM »
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  • Malachi Martin, unfortunately, was a teller of tall tales ... and can't be trusted.  I'm not sure how exactly he was offering a Mass of reparation when he had been laicized and therefore had no business offering Mass.  There are also reports that he was living with a mistress.

    I knew someone at STAS who went a couple talks in a series of lectures being given by Malachi Martin.  He told me that one was to a group of mostly SSPX types and another to a group of Feeneyites.  During the first talk, he declared that Archbishop Lefebvre was the greatest theologian of the 20th century, while in the second talk he said the same thing of Father Feeney.

    Reportedly Martin was working for Cardinal Bea digging up dirt on the attendees at Vatican II so they could blackmail them into doing what they wanted.

    So this "Agnes" who was tracked down evidently stated that this ritual took place in 1957, not in 1963 as Martin claimed.
    I could be wrong, but I was thinking that Fr Martin was never technically "laicized", rather, he was on some sort of indefinite leave, and thus could have celebrated Holy Mass at his discretion.  The way I heard it, he was buried alongside a woman simply because he had no money to buy a funeral plot of his own, and she gave him one of hers.  He gave almost all of his money to poor seminarians and lived frugally.  Supposedly she was just a friend, and in charity and reverence towards a priest of God, I will not challenge that.

    I actually spoke with him briefly one time, I was trying to organize a lecture for a group, and he was recovering from a heart attack, so he could not come.  I'll never forget that he bellowed into the phone "who gave you my number?".   He was kind of ticked until I explained.  I have to look back and chuckle about that one.

    "Tall tales" are better suited for things such as deep-sea fishing and hunting in the wilderness for wild boar.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #21 on: May 05, 2021, 10:49:05 AM »
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  • "Tall tales" are better suited for things such as deep-sea fishing and hunting in the wilderness for wild boar.

    He himself admitted to writing "faction" ... so the line between fact and fiction in his books is extremely blurred.  So, in a way, that makes them useless as a means of getting to the raw facts.  According to the account above by someone who knew Agnes, receiver her testimony, etc., Martin's account was "greatly theatricalized."

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #23 on: May 05, 2021, 11:15:50 AM »
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  • He himself admitted to writing "faction" ... so the line between fact and fiction in his books is extremely blurred.  So, in a way, that makes them useless as a means of getting to the raw facts.  According to the account above by someone who knew Agnes, receiver her testimony, etc., Martin's account was "greatly theatricalized."
    The best I can do, here is a photo of the grave stone MM buried along with is mistress in the Gates of Heaven Cemetery in
    New York:

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #24 on: May 05, 2021, 11:24:22 AM »
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  • The duel enthronement of Lucifer was also allegedly done in the Cathedral of Charleston, SC with the Bishop Russell and the Future
    Cardinal Joseph Bernardine of Chicago 1982-1996 Father Joseph Bernardine.
    The Cathedral has never been re-consecrated.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #25 on: May 05, 2021, 12:13:40 PM »
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  • I don't buy that story about the "enthronement of Satan", or anything else from Malachi Martin. The story is not from a credible source, it sounds sensationalistic (like much of what Martin said), and the whole thing makes no sense. If Satan could take over the Church by something as easy as getting some of his followers to perform a ceremony, why didn't he do it centuries ago?


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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #26 on: May 05, 2021, 01:16:30 PM »
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  • The best I can do, here is a photo of the grave stone MM buried along with is mistress in the Gates of Heaven Cemetery in
    New York:

    Kakia Livanos is the friend to whom I referred.  I would need to see proof that she was, indeed, his "mistress", which term indicates (to me anyway) an illicit relationship. 

    Priests are allowed to have friends, just like anyone else.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #27 on: May 05, 2021, 01:20:40 PM »
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  • He himself admitted to writing "faction" ... so the line between fact and fiction in his books is extremely blurred.  So, in a way, that makes them useless as a means of getting to the raw facts.  According to the account above by someone who knew Agnes, receiver her testimony, etc., Martin's account was "greatly theatricalized."
    Sounds like an ecclesiastical version of Hunter S Thompson and his "gonzo" journalism, i.e., deliver facts, to be sure, but if the story would benefit by some embellishment and creation of scenarios that didn't occur but could have occurred, then have a go at it. 

    Such "journalism" wouldn't be my first go-to place, for trying to read an account of how something actually happened.

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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #28 on: May 05, 2021, 06:53:58 PM »
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  • I stopped caring about much of anything Malachi Martin says after reading Dr. Wolfgang Smith's book "In Quest of Catholicity" which is a collection of letters between Smith and Martin on various "spiritual" subjects. Most of which revolved around their appreciation of the Lutheran "mystic" Jacob Boehme and their enthusiastic admiration of Cabala (Christianized Jєωιѕн Kabbalah), the practice of which they claimed rightfully belongs to the Church. They fit right in with modern neo-Traditionalist "Catholics" like Charles Coloumbe, Roger Buck and Michael Martin.

    He was a rabble-rouser and teller of tall tales. I caught several of his interviews on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, and distinctly recall him stating that non-Christians, like Shamans, could effectively exorcise individuals. The man was a walking contradiction and completely heterodox. While he does have some good things here and there (I very much enjoy his book "Hostage to the Devil" and its dramatized accounts of exorcisms), I think it's best to take most of his "insights" as there to muddy the waters of truth regarding the post-Conciliar era. He was certainly one who promoted the position of JPII being merely deceived and coerced into doing the things he did during his "Pontificate".
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    Re: Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican
    « Reply #29 on: May 06, 2021, 07:55:39 AM »
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  • The duel enthronement of Lucifer was also allegedly done in the Cathedral of Charleston, SC with the Bishop Russell and the Future
    Cardinal Joseph Bernardine of Chicago 1982-1996 Father Joseph Bernardine.
    The Cathedral has never been re-consecrated.
    I have read that "Agnes", the little girl that was abused on the Charleston Cathedral altar in 1963 is still alive and has actually done (audio) interviews within the past couple of years.
    I go back and forth with Malachi Martin.  One thing is that he was most certainly a Judaizer as he was the protégée and secretary of Cardinal Bea who brought forth Nostrae Atate. Malachi Martin was also supposed to have written under the pseudonym  Michael Serafian promoting Jєωιѕн culture and ideas  within the Church


     

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