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Offline TKGS

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Re: Did this priest commit an act of schism?
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2021, 06:59:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 06, 2021, 10:18:06 PM
    Misreading anyone via such a limited medium is all too easy, but I do not think TKGS' comment was anything other than a dig at the exchange between myself and Lad.  I suppose we shall see, should clarification be forthcoming.
    Not a dig.  Just an observation.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Did this priest commit an act of schism?
    « Reply #46 on: May 07, 2021, 07:34:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 06, 2021, 04:47:33 PM
    If, as you say, it is clear that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church, then it should also be clear that the head of the false Conciliar Church can not be the Head of the true Catholic Church.    

    I've already laid out why this isn't necessarily and absolutely the case.

    One scenario is where Montini might have been blackmailed and controlled.  In that case, he could have been the legitimate Pope but his acts were not free and therefore did not reflect acts of papal authority.

    Another is the distinction that these papal claimants might in fact have been MATERIAL heads of the Church but deprived of formal authority, i.e. the sedeprivationist thesis or even Fr. Chazal's sedeimpoundism.

    Finally, there's the Siri thesis, in which case the See would not have been vacant through 1989

    I don't know why I have to keep repeating these.
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    Re: Did this priest commit an act of schism?
    « Reply #47 on: May 07, 2021, 11:06:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on May 07, 2021, 06:59:40 AM
    Not a dig.  Just an observation.
    Copy.  Cheers :)
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    Re: Did this priest commit an act of schism?
    « Reply #48 on: May 07, 2021, 11:11:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on May 07, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
    Let us pray for the Holy Father and for the Bishops to remain faithful.
    One can only remain what one already is -- and faithful does not describe those claiming authority within the Thing HQ'd in Rome.
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    Re: Did this priest commit an act of schism?
    « Reply #49 on: May 07, 2021, 11:24:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 07, 2021, 07:34:51 AM
    I've already laid out why this isn't necessarily and absolutely the case.

    One scenario is where Montini might have been blackmailed and controlled.  In that case, he could have been the legitimate Pope but his acts were not free and therefore did not reflect acts of papal authority.

    Another is the distinction that these papal claimants might in fact have been MATERIAL heads of the Church but deprived of formal authority, i.e. the sedeprivationist thesis or even Fr. Chazal's sedeimpoundism.

    Finally, there's the Siri thesis, in which case the See would not have been vacant through 1989

    I don't know why I have to keep repeating these.
    I am not sure you have to, particularly because Montini was a Modernist through and through (thus, no need to blackmail or control); what is more, Scenario One changes nothing post-1978 and Scenario Three, if you will, changes nothing post-1989.  It is now 2021, so even the wildest of theories from 32-plus years ago has limited applicability, to put it mildly.  Again, what good are "divine promises" if the present insanity is consistent therewith and that Thing in Rome is (somehow) fundamentally identifiable with the Holy Church of the 13th century?  We ALL know it is NOT; that is why we resist.
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