Author Topic: Enter the Episcopalians! (Read 981 times)

Lighthouse · « **on:** January 02, 2012, 02:43:01 PM »

I advise against reading the moronic comment section. It will only serve to raise your blood pressure.

So, this is very cloudy, but will "Rome" require ordination, or only an on-line theology course? Must the "priests" and people recant? Must they go to confession and confess a mortal sin?

What?

Nishant · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2012, 09:52:38 AM »

Well, I'm glad. I believe they make a profession of Catholic Faith, particularly over those dogmas they formerly denied as Episcopalians. Of course in the Anglican Ordinariate in England those entering priesthood were ordained and even confirmed for the first time.

Only now are we seeing the firstfruits of an authentic ecuмenism, one that promotes a full return to the Catholic Church. With the schismatics of Greece and Russia, especially, I believe this could be especially effective, if pursued properly at the highest levels, in bringing about a corporate reunion more quickly than through individual conversions alone.

Contrary to what many think, the Council itself condemned any watering down of the truth, said that above all we must be faithful to the Faith once handed down as taught by the Fathers, and that the Catholic Church possesses the supernatural gift of unity as something she can never lose, and warned that any superficial and imprudent measures would impede true progress toward unity. Catholics must always proclaim return to the Catholic Church.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:29:48 PM »

I don't know enough to judge whether this is true or false ecuмenism without getting some more answers to these questions, and neither, I suggest, do you.

But thank you for thumbing me down for merely asking a question. Apparently asking questions is not allowed in your universe.

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I believe they make a profession of Catholic...

Well, I don't know, so I won't be believing anything at this time. I was hoping to get some info, but ...

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Contrary to what many think, the Council itself condemned any watering down of the truth, said that above all we must be faithful to the Faith once handed down as taught by the Fathers, and that the Catholic Church possesses the supernatural gift of unity as something she can never lose, and warned that any superficial and imprudent measures would impede true progress toward unity.

If by "the Council" you refer to Vatican II, they'll have to put their money where their mouth is.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2012, 08:33:39 PM »

They do ave to make a profession of faith. Their clergy will be absolutely ordained as priests, not conditionally ordained, as they should be.

Thanks be to God!

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:47:32 PM »

"...they will be allowed to preserve revered verses from the Book of Common Prayer"

"...establishing new parishes with an Anglican flavor"

"...overjoyed to preserve elements of the Anglican liturgy"

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2012, 08:01:25 AM »

I don't see any reason to be alarmed about the Episcoplians making a profession of faith and becoming Catholics. This is a good thing.....But the modern Church isn't quite truthful in all that goes on.

My problem is the clergy. IF the priests are not valid priests, then they should have to be ordained properly. I don't mean a 3 week class on the Catechism, but a year or so in the seminary.

Then there is the issue of all their wives and children. What about them? How can they be possibly provided for on a priests salary? I guess the parishes are providing comfortable homes for them.

This is problematic because I can see how a case can be made to do away with the celibate priesthood.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM »

Just wondering...

Why would you think they would learn anything in the Conciliar seminary that is different from what they learned in an Episcopal seminary?

Lighthouse · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:27:39 PM »

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Just wondering...

Why would you think they would learn anything in the Conciliar seminary that is different from what they learned in an Episcopal seminary?

Yes, there's that.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:35:24 PM »

It's interesting that they point out they will be expected to "show opposition to abortion and contraception."

I think for many conservative Novus Ordo Catholics that has become the intellectual level of their Faith, that those two issues (which are of course vitally important issues) determine whether one has the Catholic Faith.

Of course, we know very well that there will be no real opposition to contraception other than an obnoxious NFP course mandated as marriage preparation. As for opposition to abortion, likewise, it's all talk for the most part. "Conservative Catholics" in America are obsessed with the abortion laws, but if you actually asked them to sit on a jury we know very well they would not punish women who have had abortions. (but doubtless they would support locking up a man for "domestic violence" or being a "deadbeat") And they are the first to condemn any acts of violence against abortionists.

Nishant · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:10:43 PM »

Lighthouse,

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But thank you for thumbing me down for merely asking a question.

Um, you're jumping to conclusions there. :rolleyes: That wasn't me.

As for what I judged based on, it was both the Holy Father's pastoral provision, Anglicanorum Coetibus, and what happened in England when the Ordinariate was setup there.

And CathMomof7, although those already married as Anglican ministers may obtain a dispensation from the general discipline of the Latin rite to become Catholic priests, celibacy as such continues to be the norm to which all "unmarried ministers must submit" according to the same constitution of Pope Benedict XVI.