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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anomalies surrounding Padre Pio
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2025, 11:10:56 AM »
There is a large Padre Pio statue in the back of the Post Falls chapel. I find that to be intellectually schizophrenic. But then again, didn't the SSPX make a statue of Lefebrve for the facade of one of the portico's at the Immaculata?

I'm not sure whether there's a requirement that an individual be canonized before putting up a statue, especially at the back of the chapel.  I don't think so.  I'm guessing that, say, some order, could put up one of their founder even before canonization or maybe even beatification.

But that's expected SSPX, where they can decide which canonizations are legit and which are not, selectively, making themselves the final authority.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anomalies surrounding Padre Pio
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2025, 11:32:54 AM »
I own a copy of Peter's book, it is great. I have nothing against PP. Still, we don't know...

Right.  Of course we don't know for sure, and I'm open to reasonable/rational discussions on the subject.  I did read that one link that Matthew posted with an open mind ... it just turned out to be pure trash.  And the problem here is what I said, where if I had to guess, I'd say that 99% of the "Padre Pio Quotes" are fakes, either made up by people with an agenda, or sensationalistic nonsense made up to get clicks on the internet (oh, yeah, that's another fake one I forgot ... Three Days Darkness.  Padre Pio never talked about it, but there are volumes of fake quotes from him about the subject, because it's sensationalistic and gets clicks.)  We're not in a position to do a full investigation.

And, really, why spend the time?  My faith certainly doesn't depend on Padre Pio.  There's very little (except mostly fake quotes) that might cause some harm to faith.  So I just stay away from the subject, deferring to competent ecclesiastical authority, when it comes.  As for me, if I had only one hour and had to choose between spending it before the Blessed Sacrament or in conversation with Padre Pio, one-on-one, close up, looking at his stigmata, I'd spend the time before the Blesesed Sacrament.  Stigmata are childsplay to the miracle of transubstantiation, and Padre Pio is a nobody compared to Our Lord the Blessed Sacrament.  Padre Pio himself complained that his Masses were filled with people but there were other priests there at the monastery who couldn't find an altar server to serve their Masses.  Are we there for God or for him?

So my attitude about Padre Pio is, if he was a great saint, then I'm happy for him, good for him ... but as far as I'm concerned, I only really care about the things of God.

Now, there are some somewhat-more-reliable statements from him that might be of some use, such as related by Father Amorth, a rather more reliable source, who related what Padre Pio said about the Third Secret of Fatima, basically saying that it dealt with an Antichurch and some Antipopes.

Then of course there's the bigger picture of Conciliar canonizations, but that's not specific to Padre Pio.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anomalies surrounding Padre Pio
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2025, 11:36:30 AM »
The list of liars about PP is getting quite long (if they are in fact lying) ...

And the longer you go, the longer the list of liars will get.  As pointed out, you could probably find thousands of such lies on the interwebs, including from people that claim they have solid information they were privy to.  I believe the ones about JP2 and +Lefebvre in particular came from otherwise "reputable" sources, but were then debunked by people who were there (Wojtyla himself and +Lefebvre).

I'm beginning to think the Dimond Brothers were right in classifying you as a radical schismatic.  You're clearly hell-bent on attacking Padre Pio.  Are you the author of that trash article that Matthew posted?

Re: Anomalies surrounding Padre Pio
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2025, 11:42:06 AM »
A real Pope and his people will decide if Padre Pio is a saint or not. 

Meanwhile, I found it very poor when the Brazilian branch of the SSPX promoted a trip to Italy on which they visited San Giovanni Rotondo. I mean, there are so many saints, sanctuaries and places related to pre-Vatican 2 canonized saints in Italy, and they chose to go to Padre Pio's place. 

Offline Yeti

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Re: Anomalies surrounding Padre Pio
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2025, 11:53:43 AM »
Saint (Padre) Pio affirms Garabandal to a PH.D in confession.
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:facepalm:

There is no way to verify what a priest says to someone in confession. The person could say the priest told him literally anything, and the priest can't deny it or comment on it at all. To say this is not evidence is an understatement.