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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Ember days?
« on: September 21, 2025, 01:42:41 AM »
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  • So my traditional catholic calendar had ember days as last week, but my parish bulletin has it as this week... I am confused.

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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2025, 01:55:07 AM »
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  • The Divinu Afflatu calendar and rules put the September Ember days on this past week, 17th, 19th and 20th of September, while the 1962 missal says that it is 24th, 26th and 27th of September.

    It has to do with a different method of counting weeks that was put in practice with John XXIII.

    You can access this website and see the differences between the missals and calendars: www.divinumofficium.com


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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2025, 03:28:30 AM »
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  • In the Roman rite the September Ember Days were always kept on the Wednesday, Friday and Saturday after the feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross. In the Breviary this was the third week of September.

    As G.B. notes above the 1960 rubrics, which came into force on 1st January, 1961, changed the way the first Sunday of the months of August, September, October and November was calculated. In the traditional system the first Sunday was that closest to the 1st of the month so, e.g. this year, Sunday 31st August isconsidered the first Sunday of September. In the new rubrics, R.G. Ch. III, 19, this was changed so the first Sunday always was counted in the actual month.  So, the first year this would have made a difference to the Ember Days was 1964. In the new system the Ember Days were kept on 23rd, 25th & 26th, a week after they would traditionally have been kept.  It may be the case the reformers didn't consider the effect the rubric would have on the Ember Days.


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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2025, 11:13:55 AM »
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  • The rule is two-fold:  1) after the feast of the holy cross.  2) the third  FULL week.  

    Last week was the 3rd week of Sept but not the 3rd FULL week.  A full week has to start with Sunday.  

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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2025, 12:36:01 PM »
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  • The Divinu Afflatu calendar and rules put the September Ember days on this past week, 17th, 19th and 20th of September, while the 1962 missal says that it is 24th, 26th and 27th of September.

    It has to do with a different method of counting weeks that was put in practice with John XXIII.

    You can access this website and see the differences between the missals and calendars: www.divinumofficium.com

    So if you believe Roncalli et al. were legitimate popes, then, well, they eliminated ember days entirely.  But if you're SV, then they were last week.  So the only mandatory ones were the ones this past week.


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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2025, 01:49:35 PM »
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  • So if you believe Roncalli et al. were legitimate popes, then, well, they eliminated ember days entirely.  But if you're SV, then they were last week.  So the only mandatory ones were the ones this past week.
    The 62 missal changes were approved by Pius XII so technically ok.  (As far as the calendar goes).  I can see why the SVs go with last week because they reject the 62.  Not good or bad, it’s just an explanation for the difference. 

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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2025, 02:18:54 PM »
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  • So if you believe Roncalli et al. were legitimate popes, then, well, they eliminated ember days entirely.  But if you're SV, then they were last week.  So the only mandatory ones were the ones this past week.
    I was going to ask about this.  I didn't think there were any Ember Days in the Conciliar sect, and you answered the question before I had the chance to even ask.

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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2025, 03:37:38 PM »
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  • The 62 missal changes were approved by Pius XII so technically ok.  (As far as the calendar goes).  I can see why the SVs go with last week because they reject the 62.  Not good or bad, it’s just an explanation for the difference.
    But sedes believe that Pius 12th is a valid Pope. Why wouldn't they accept ember days as this week? And isn't it a mortal sin to skip if you don't believe in the v2 church?


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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2025, 05:16:17 PM »
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  • But sedes believe that Pius 12th is a valid Pope. Why wouldn't they accept ember days as this week? And isn't it a mortal sin to skip if you don't believe in the v2 church?

    There were many Papal indults that dispensed people from a certain country or a certain diocese from this or that fasting or abstinence day. It is very difficuld to find this kind of information online. I don't know the practical rules for Sedevacantists these days, since these indults changed from place to place. You basically have to find out what was the situation on your area when Pius XII died, which is quite tricky.

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    Re: Ember days?
    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2025, 05:50:34 PM »
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  • Hmmm. I’m using a calendar that I got for free from MHT Seminary, (+Bp. Sanborn). I observed the Ember Days this past week, although I don’t technically need to fast (not sure about abstain but why not?) due to my age. For health reasons, I couldn’t do the full Lenten fast this year, but short term I can still do. 
    I livestreamed SSPX Sunday Mass yesterday (in Eastern time zone, USA) from Australia where it was already Sunday morning. The priest announced Ember Days upcoming this week, but also to put ahead your clocks by one hour and not be one hour late for Mass in two weeks. 
    :jester: In most of the US, we go on Daylight Savings Time on November 2nd, not October 2nd, and we “Fall” back one hour. If we forget, we’ll get to Mass an hour early! 
    So, Australians can add an hour to their lives by flying to the US in two weeks?  ✈️ 🌎 🤔 Or have I got that backwards?