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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Ember days?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2026, 09:21:43 AM »
In the pre62 system the 20th is the fourth Sunday.  In the Breviary the first Sunday of the months August to November was the Sunday nearest the Kalends of the month, i.e. the first day. 

So, this year, the first Sunday of September was actually 30th August (Pentecost XIV); the second Sunday 6th September (Pentecost XV); the third Sunday 13th September (Pentecost XVI).  Following the changes introduced in Rubricarum Instructum the system changed and the first Sunday of the months August to November was always the first Sunday to fall on, after, the Kalends.

The other way to work out the September Ember Days is to remember they are the Wednesday, Friday and Saturday after the feast of the Exaltation of the Cross. That was on Monday of last week so, traditionally, the Ember Days followed.  However, if using the 1962 rubrics the Ember Days will be the first full week after the Exaltation as 'Pax Vobis' explained above.
Thanks for the great information, it is a big help. Do you happen to know who changed this?

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2026, 09:50:38 AM »
Thanks for the great information, it is a big help. Do you happen to know who changed this?
You are welcome but if you look at #2 to the thread I commented last year:  "In the new rubrics, R.G. Ch. III, 19, this was changed so the first Sunday always was counted in the actual month. "

The new rubrics were promulgated 25 July 1960 and came into force 1st January 1961.  


Offline DirigeNos

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2026, 06:15:45 PM »
The rule is two-fold:  1) after the feast of the holy cross.  2) the third  FULL week. 

Last week was the 3rd week of Sept but not the 3rd FULL week.  A full week has to start with Sunday. 
Lenty, Penty, Lucy, Crucy  :)

Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2026, 06:25:37 PM »
You are welcome but if you look at #2 to the thread I commented last year:  "In the new rubrics, R.G. Ch. III, 19, this was changed so the first Sunday always was counted in the actual month. "

The new rubrics were promulgated 25 July 1960 and came into force 1st January 1961. 

Seems to me it was promulgated by John 23rd? 

Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2026, 06:27:12 PM »
The 62 missal changes were approved by Pius XII so technically ok.  (As far as the calendar goes).  I can see why the SVs go with last week because they reject the 62.  Not good or bad, it’s just an explanation for the difference.
What do you mean approved by Pius 12th? Wasn't the changed mentioned in the second post done by John 23?