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Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 01:40:09 PM »
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  • Another friend of mine tells me that on the occasion of some anniversary of Shakespeare (1564-1616), numbers of people, no doubt to battle "homophobia", are maintaining once more that he was one of "them". For proof that the Bard belonged to what one might call the Lavender Brigade, they are resorting as usual to the Sonnets, many of which were indeed lovingly addressed to a certain young man. Let us attempt to disentangle the mess.


    Firstly, for men to misuse with men or for women to misuse with women that mechanism which God gave to both to use properly with one another for the reproduction and continuation of the human race, is so grave a sin against God and human society that the Catholic Church calls it one of the four sins "crying to Heaven for vengeance". To ensure that mankind continues, God gave to every one of us a deep and natural repugnance for man on man, or woman on woman. To whitewash the sin by blackening the repugnance for it as "homophobia", is mentally and morally sick.


    However, "to them that are defiled, and to unbelievers, nothing is clean" (Titus I, 15). For sick minds, there can be no such thing as a clean love between man and man. Therefore when Scripture (I Kings I, 26) presents to us such a love as noble in the extreme, as when David grieves for his dead friend Jonathan -- "I grieve for thee, my brother Jonathan: exceeding beautiful, and amiable to me above the love of women. As the mother loveth her only son, so did I love thee", these sick minds will declare that such love is to be approved of not because it could be void of sin, but only because to condemn it as sin is "homophobia".


    The case of Shakespeare's love for the young man that he made famous in his Sonnets is surely similar. Many of them tell us how this young man was graced with a beauty comparable to that of women, or even more beautiful, says Shakespeare. And apparently those now trying to enlist the Bard in their ranks appeal in particular to Sonnet 20 for proof of his perversion. But I ask me: can they read? The first eight lines of this Sonnet may praise the young man's feminine beauty, but the next four go on to tell how Nature endowed him also with a masculine feature which is (l.12) of no use to Shakespeare, but only to women (l.13). Conclusion?-- "Mine be thy love, and thy love's use their treasure" (l.14).


    If people who have let themselves get caught in the vice against nature do all they can to get out of it, they deserve the sympathy of all sane souls. But if they so wallow in their perversion as to pretend that sane heroes of the past were like them, they need to be vigorously and clearly denounced -- for as long as it is not illegal to do so! Kyrie eleison.

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 01:41:24 PM »
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  • There is no such thing as "homophobia"!

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 10:56:33 AM »
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  • Shakespeare was in fact Edward De Vere. Read The Mysterious William Shakespeare by Charlton Ogburn. There is no evidence that De Vere was ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, but there is strong circuмstantial evidence that he had an affair with the Virgin Queen, and a child was produced. De Vere was a Catholic and was not sympathetic to the new Protestant elite.


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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 01:17:20 PM »
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  • BS-- Shakespeare was not the homo DeVere or Bacon or anyone else but Shakespeare. Bacon and De Vere are(along with the homo King James) the main forces behind the heretical KJV. I think even the Mormons use KJV
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2009, 01:19:31 PM »
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  • Is this a joke or something to say DeVere was Catholic? BTW-- The Queen was physically incapable of sex and the rumor that Bacon was her son is also false.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2009, 10:54:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    Is this a joke or something to say DeVere was Catholic? BTW-- The Queen was physically incapable of sex and the rumor that Bacon was her son is also false.


    "Edward de Vere/"Shakespeare": Shakespeare was a Christian, but there remains uncertainty about whether he is best categorized a Catholic, Anglican or Protestant. Shakespeare appears to have lived as an Anglican, but there are scholars who believe that he secretly subscribed to the Catholicism of his family heritage. Shakespeare's mother Mary Arden was a member of the staunchly Catholic family - the Ardens of Park Hall. William's father John Shakespeare was also from an actively Catholic family, and he left a Catholic will. Most of Shakespeare's writing career took place under the stridently anti-Catholic monarchy of Elizabeth I, who inherited the throne from her Catholic sister. Parish records establish that William Shakespeare was baptized on 26 April, 1564. Shakespeare's plays strongly reflect Christian values and belief, but do not advocate any specific denomination. Sources: Shakespeare: An Introduction; How Catholic was Shakespeare?" by Paul J. Voss (Catholic Educator's Resource Center); The Catholicism of Shakespeare's Plays by Peter Milward SJ (The book concludes with a presentation of the historical evidence for Shakespeare's own Catholicism and recusancy, including an account of the 1999 "Lancastrian Shakespeare" Conference, at which new material was presented linking the poet with Catholic households in Lancashire, and possibly even with the Jesuit martyr St. Edmund Campion); Shakespeare and the Catholic question by Glen Cascino (The University Concourse, Volume V, Issue 8, May 4, 2000); Shakespeare Scholars Say the Bard was...Catholic? by Paul Burnell; Annotations in Edward de Vere's Bible [URL: http://www.clark.net/pub/tross/ws/ox5.html]; Shakespeare and Religion, by Aldous Huxley; The Religion of Shakespeare (Catholic Encyclopedia). " http://www.adherents.com/people/ps/William_Shakespeare.html

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 01:34:46 AM »
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  • According to Hank Whittemore's theory in "the monument," De Vere wrote the sonnets to/for/about himself, Queen Elizabeth, and Henry Wriothesley (pronounced risly)--who Prince Tudor theorists think was his son with the queen:

    http://www.shakespearesmonument.com/



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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 09:03:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: TheD
    Another friend of mine tells me that on the occasion of some anniversary of Shakespeare (1564-1616), numbers of people, no doubt to battle "homophobia", are maintaining once more that he was one of "them".


    I wish I could understand what Bp. Williamson's plan is or if he has one. The whole SSPX is being eaten alive by the new order -- subsumed, its webpages cleansed, etc -- and he is going on about whether or not Shakespeare was a homo.

    Hey you excellency: who cares! Stand up and fight for Lefebvre's legacy against the monsters who are about destroying it. Save the Church. Wake up!

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 11:34:48 AM »
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    I wish I could understand what Bp. Williamson's plan is or if he has one. The whole SSPX is being eaten alive by the new order -- subsumed, its webpages cleansed, etc -- and he is going on about whether or not Shakespeare was a homo.

    Hey you excellency: who cares! Stand up and fight for Lefebvre's legacy against the monsters who are about destroying it. Save the Church. Wake up!

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       I understand your concern, but the good Bishop needs a break. He may be under some physical attack from the NWO. ( infrared radiation, chemicals etc)

       I just heard a story from Tim Rifat on rense.com last night. The NWO Goverment in England has targeted him with radiation and chemicals. He said the radiation was so bad, the person living one floor below had to sleep in the hallway. Rifat has applied for political refugee status in the Soviet Union.  He said that USA  and Great Britain are worse now for political repression.


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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 04:55:58 PM »
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  • Tim Rifat is a britich gov disinfo agent

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 05:52:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: zviadist
    Quote from: TheD
    Another friend of mine tells me that on the occasion of some anniversary of Shakespeare (1564-1616), numbers of people, no doubt to battle "homophobia", are maintaining once more that he was one of "them".


    I wish I could understand what Bp. Williamson's plan is or if he has one. The whole SSPX is being eaten alive by the new order -- subsumed, its webpages cleansed, etc -- and he is going on about whether or not Shakespeare was a homo.

    Hey you excellency: who cares! Stand up and fight for Lefebvre's legacy against the monsters who are about destroying it. Save the Church. Wake up!


    *Dumps a gallon of water on zviadist*

    Hey Mr.! Wake up! His Excellency is busy trying to save the Church AND our Catholic heritage and culture at the same time! That is why he makes comments like this one, and God bless him for it! You dont want us to be a bunch of black robed Puritans do you?
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!

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    Eleison Comments XCVIII: Sick Claims
    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2009, 06:11:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    Tim Rifat is a britich gov disinfo agent

    What is your source for saying this? Why do you think this?
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'