Author Topic: Election of a heretical pope (Read 3953 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2021, 04:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 19, 2021, 04:23:55 PM

Fr Cekada's opinion is irrelevant. Law is law.

Despite the fact that his "opinion" is based on divine law?

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2021, 04:33:04 PM »

I don't know what his argument is, so why don't you post it? Secondly, I suppose he will be saying that Pope St Pius X didn't know what he was doing, when he allowed excommunicated persons to be elected? That's the only conclusion. That St Pius X, who was surrounded by Modernists, didn't understand that the very changes he made to the election laws would allow such Modernists to be elected. He must have been the dumbest pope ever.
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Fr Cekada can argue all he wants that it doesn't apply to V2 popes. But this dodges the question of WHY would St Pius X (and XII) make such changes to begin with? What was the point? Anyone who is unbiased, and who knows history, can readily see why they changed this law.

Marion · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2021, 04:35:36 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 19, 2021, 04:33:04 PM

I don't know what his argument is, so why don't you post it?

See the OP. There's a link ...

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2021, 05:03:33 PM »

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Heretics and schismatics are barred from the Supreme Pontificate by the divine law itself

This is Fr Cekada's argument...but it begs the question (or 2)...
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1) There are various levels of heresy. What types of heretics are barred? Where is this laid out?
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2) Where does Divine Law define heresy and schism? It doesn't. (Hint, God only wrote 1 book, Scripture. All else is in the hands of the Church).
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3) So where does the Church define heresy and schism? How do we know if one is a heretic and schismatic (for there are various levels of each). Answer: Canon Law.
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Fr Cekada's error is that he is assuming (falsely) that anyone can judge heresy/schism in the manner necessary to disqualify a candidate. But that's not how heresy works, nor how canon law operates. When canon lawyers say that a heretic is barred from election, they are talking of a person who is ALREADY JUDGED by the Church to be a heretic. For example, a Greek Orthodox priest couldn't be elected (they are a known schismatic) or Billy Graham (a known heretic).

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2021, 10:04:19 PM »

Judge? Christ said, You will know them by their fruits! Outwardly.

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