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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2019, 08:55:35 PM »
The parish I go to is almost totally made up of Roman Rite refugees who have fled the Novus Ordo.  There are only two elderly members of the parish left, the rest of the fairly good size parish are all from the Roman Rite, from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds that are not Eastern European.

Ok, I'll bite.
All you (2-3 members in this thread actually) Catholics who opt for the Eastern Rite the same way 99% of Trad-leaning Americans head for a Tridentine Latin Mass chapel (Roman Rite) --

There's just one problem.

You're a small minority. What are the chances there's a nice young lady at that ONE Eastern Rite chapel for your son, or a nice young man for your daughter to marry?

In the Trad world, at least we have the TLM to unite us. There are a lot of Trads nationwide, and even worldwide. We are all comfortable with the same Mass.

If you/your son/daughter DID meet a good spouse at a different Rite, which rite would you go to as a family and raise your children in?

This is alone a good reason to stick with Western ways and the Roman Rite.

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2019, 09:16:21 PM »

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For formal switching, yes.  For just attending Mass there and even registering at the parish, no.  Formal switching entailed removing yourself from Roman jurisdiction and Roman Canon Law and subjecting yourself to Eastern Canon Law and jurisdiction.  But there's no requirement for approval to regularly (even exclusively) ATTEND an Eastern Rite Liturgy.
I'm referring to normal times, i.e. pre-V2 days.  The days when you had to go to your parish church of your neighborhood and you weren't even allowed to go to the neighboring parish church 5 miles away, without permission.  The days when your parish priest had ultimate authority over all Catholics in his parish and Catholics weren't allowed to pick-and-choose which Church they could go to on Sundays.  The days when everyone knew and grew up with the same families for decades (assuming they didn't move houses).  We've lost all of this order, community and harmony since V2.

In those days, yes, you'd have to get permission to attend the Eastern church on sundays, unless that was your parish church.  


Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2019, 10:55:43 PM »
Ok, I'll bite.
All you (2-3 members in this thread actually) Catholics who opt for the Eastern Rite the same way 99% of Trad-leaning Americans head for a Tridentine Latin Mass chapel (Roman Rite) --

There's just one problem.

You're a small minority. What are the chances there's a nice young lady at that ONE Eastern Rite chapel for your son, or a nice young man for your daughter to marry?

In the Trad world, at least we have the TLM to unite us. There are a lot of Trads nationwide, and even worldwide. We are all comfortable with the same Mass.

If you/your son/daughter DID meet a good spouse at a different Rite, which rite would you go to as a family and raise your children in?

This is alone a good reason to stick with Western ways and the Roman Rite.
It’s a valid point.  But, let’s face it, things aren’t going well in the traditional chapel scene either. There are so many divisions now that your son or daughter may only be limited to future spouses from whatever group or sub-group you affiliate with.  If you are a resistance family, a hard core SSPX loyalist family may not let your kids near their kids, the same could be said about families who are CMRI, FSSP, SSPV, etc.  

It’s getting tougher to help your kids find good and compatible spouses no matter where you plant your roots during this crisis.

Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2019, 01:26:20 AM »

1st you would remain Roman when converting, unless your parents are eastern catholic or orthodox.

2nd you do not change churches unless you are actually living an eastern catholic life, which means more than just attending the liturgy. Unless you did that you're not going to even be able to be considered for changing ritual churches. This is near impossible as Matthew said. To attend liturgy is one thing, to find authentic tradition in another rite is hard, then living that tradition is damn near impossible for most.
on the calendar level for another church you're going to have different seasons from what you expect,  you're gonna have to redo the your whole life which is not feasible for most people

Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2019, 03:43:39 AM »
I have been every now and then to Syrian Catholic and other Eastern Catholic rites. I have no intention of switching rite of course, but they are ok to assist at because many of them are mostly unchanged. I don't live in the west of the world, though I am a Roman Rite Traditional Catholic. I think the Eastern Catholic rites that have existed for a long time are all good and holy, just like our TLM. The Liturgy of St. James, both its text and the video (can find only Orthodox, but I think Catholic is same) http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm is a reverent liturgy. I personally dislike for myself the idea of us Latin-rite Catholics turning away from our difficulties, rather than working to restore Tradition in the Latin Church, along with the Eastern Churches in communion with Rome. But if someone, weighing all the circuмstances, wants to choose that as the best for him and his family, I think that's legitimate.

Some texts from that Liturgy, from New Advent: "The Priest.

I O Sovereign Lord our God, contemn me not, defiled with a multitude of sins: for, behold, I have come to this Your divine and heavenly mystery, not as being worthy; but looking only to Your goodness, I direct my voice to You: God be merciful to me, a sinner; I have sinned against Heaven, and before You, and am unworthy to come into the presence of this Your holy and spiritual table, upon which Your only-begotten Son, and our Lord Jesus Christ, is mystically set forth as a sacrifice for me, a sinner, and stained with every spot. Wherefore I present to You this supplication and thanksgiving, that Your Spirit the Comforter may be sent down upon me, strengthening and fitting me for this service; and count me worthy to make known without condemnation the word, delivered from You by me to the people, in Christ Jesus our Lord, with whom You are blessed, together with Your all-holy, and good, and quickening, and consubstantial Spirit, now and ever, and to all eternity. Amen.

Prayer of the standing beside the altar.

II Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, the triune light of the Godhead, which is unity subsisting in trinity, divided, yet indivisible: for the Trinity is the one God Almighty, whose glory the heavens declare, and the earth His dominion, and the sea His might, and every sentient and intellectual creature at all times proclaims His majesty: for all glory becomes Him, and honour and might, greatness and magnificence, now and ever, and to all eternity. Amen.

Prayer of the incense at the beginning.

III Sovereign Lord Jesus Christ, O Word of God, who freely offered Yourself a blameless sacrifice upon the cross to God even the Father, the coal of double nature, that touched the lips of the prophet with the tongs, and took away his sins, touch also the hearts of us sinners, and purify us from every stain, and present us holy beside Your holy altar, that we may offer You a sacrifice of praise: and accept from us, Your unprofitable servants, this incense as an odour of a sweet smell, and make fragrant the evil odour of our soul and body, and purify us with the sanctifying power of Your all-holy Spirit: for You alone are holy, who sanctifies, and are communicated to the faithful; and glory becomes You, with Your eternal Father, and Your all-holy, and good, and quickening Spirit, now and ever, and to all eternity. Amen." ... (see the link for more; basically, it's an entirely orthodox Catholic traditional Liturgy).