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Not when he and some of the listed places in his directory are of dubious validity.
"Dubious" according to whom?


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"Dubious" according to whom?
It’s been a few (4 or 5 at least) years since I’ve looked at the Tradio Directory, and based on its listings for eastern Washington State the accuracy hasn’t seemed to improve.
 
We can start with the listing for Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spokane, WA:
3914 N. Lidgerwood Street Spokane, WA 99207 (509) 489-6602
The web page has been gone for several years but they have a facebook and somebody regularly posts with a prayer, a religious picture, or a devotional text, so maybe the chapel is still in operation.  There is no information about activity or events at the church.  They list Fr. Kevin Vaillancourt as the priest.  It is my understanding that he has been gone for several years and another priest has taken over, the facebook gives no information.  Bishop Daniel Dolan would visit this chapel and write about it in his weekly column at sgg.org.  I seem to recall from that source that Fr. Vaillancourt had health problems, had to have a leg amputated, and another priest took over.
 
There is a listing for St. Joseph Church in Kennewick, WA.  Father Richard Sedlacek hasn’t been the pastor there for nearly a decade, the 1962 missal Mass times were the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Sundays, and Fr. Sedlacek wasn’t the one who said them.  Those Masses haven’t resumed since the Covid restrictions were lifted.  The two brother priests who traveled from White Salmon to Kennewick for them are both in their 90’s.  I have heard that the Bishop of Yakima is not inclined to have the 1962 Missal Mass in his diocese but I haven’t confirmed that.  This particular listing is at least 2 years out of date.
 
It is good to see that they no longer list an independent Mass in Spokane that was offered by Father Theodore Bradley, who had been defrocked by the diocese in 2002 (he had been suspended since 1994) for sɛҳuąƖ misconduct, but it took awhile – this particular Mass got their “smile face”, because it was independent and Fr. Bradley was ordained pre VII I presume.
 
Two missing listings (though they would get a “devils face” from Tradio) are that every Sunday at 10:30 AM at Mary Queen of Heaven in Sprague and on the 2nd Sunday of the month at 2:00 PM at St. Patrick’s Walla Walla the 1962 missal Mass is offered.  Both of these are High (sung) Masses.  It has been nice to see that the effort is made to give God this greater honor.
 
 
 




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And someone gave them the wrong info because one of the Minnesota Masses is a Novus Ordo.

St. Agnes Church
548 Lafond Ave., St Paul, 10 AM. This is a Novus Ordo. It has Latin, complete Gregorian propers, and a respected music program in the Archdiocese. It is the St. John Cantius of MN. But it's still a Novus Ordo. They have a Tridentine Mass, but it is a Low Mass at 7:30 am, if you're comfortable attending diocesan Masses. Why they haven't gone fully Tridentine is a mystery.

And one of the Resistance Masses there is not there and hasn't been in years.

6044 W Broadway Avenue, Minneapolis. This is a senior living complex in Greater Minneapolis. It is a building I drive by on a near-weekly basis because I am local. Do not go here expecting a Resistance Mass. There is none. :jester: There was at some point. I called and inquired. But no more.
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  • "Dubious" according to whom?
    "Fr" M.E. Morrison himself is of dubious validity since he refused to disclose his ordination lineage.


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  • And someone posted "Fr. Ryan Ste. Anne"'s "chapel" in Savanna, IL. Ryan Scott isn't a priest with dubious orders or in need of conditional consecration, he's not a priest at all. He literally is faking the priesthood.
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  • "Fr" M.E. Morrison himself is of dubious validity since he refused to disclose his ordination lineage.

    I believe that at some point someone did manage to get some information, either extracted it from him or else found it somewhere else, and concluded that he came from the Duarte-Costa line, which is problematic.

    But any priest who actively refuses to disclosed the source of their Orders or "Orders" is vitandus.  That is public information that the faithful have a right to know.  Otherwise, there's nothing to prevent any random person from simply outright masquerading as a priest.  I can't recall where it was, but there is a story where a Trad group had a "priest" for years and later found out he was a complete charlatan who had no Holy Orders, dubious or otherwise.  It's different now than back in normal Church times.  Back then, if the diocese sent some priest to your parish, you could be sure that the Diocese vouched for his validity and you didn't need to request their "papers".  You did, of course, need to know that he came from the diocese.  It's happened before where some strange person showed up and set up shop in a Catholic confessional ... just for kicks.

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  • Not when he and some of the listed places in his directory are of dubious validity.
    They rely on us to keep their list updated.  Write to them and tell them the changes and they will update it.


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  • It’s been a few (4 or 5 at least) years since I’ve looked at the Tradio Directory, and based on its listings for eastern Washington State the accuracy hasn’t seemed to improve.
     
    We can start with the listing for Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spokane, WA:
    3914 N. Lidgerwood Street Spokane, WA 99207 (509) 489-6602
    The web page has been gone for several years but they have a facebook and somebody regularly posts with a prayer, a religious picture, or a devotional text, so maybe the chapel is still in operation.  There is no information about activity or events at the church.  They list Fr. Kevin Vaillancourt as the priest.  It is my understanding that he has been gone for several years and another priest has taken over, the facebook gives no information.  Bishop Daniel Dolan would visit this chapel and write about it in his weekly column at sgg.org.  I seem to recall from that source that Fr. Vaillancourt had health problems, had to have a leg amputated, and another priest took over.
     
    There is a listing for St. Joseph Church in Kennewick, WA.  Father Richard Sedlacek hasn’t been the pastor there for nearly a decade, the 1962 missal Mass times were the 1st, 3rd, and 5th Sundays, and Fr. Sedlacek wasn’t the one who said them.  Those Masses haven’t resumed since the Covid restrictions were lifted.  The two brother priests who traveled from White Salmon to Kennewick for them are both in their 90’s.  I have heard that the Bishop of Yakima is not inclined to have the 1962 Missal Mass in his diocese but I haven’t confirmed that.  This particular listing is at least 2 years out of date.
     
    It is good to see that they no longer list an independent Mass in Spokane that was offered by Father Theodore Bradley, who had been defrocked by the diocese in 2002 (he had been suspended since 1994) for sɛҳuąƖ misconduct, but it took awhile – this particular Mass got their “smile face”, because it was independent and Fr. Bradley was ordained pre VII I presume.
     
    Two missing listings (though they would get a “devils face” from Tradio) are that every Sunday at 10:30 AM at Mary Queen of Heaven in Sprague and on the 2nd Sunday of the month at 2:00 PM at St. Patrick’s Walla Walla the 1962 missal Mass is offered.  Both of these are High (sung) Masses.  It has been nice to see that the effort is made to give God this greater honor.
     
     
     
    Contact traditio and let them know.

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  • I believe that at some point someone did manage to get some information, either extracted it from him or else found it somewhere else, and concluded that he came from the Duarte-Costa line, which is problematic.

    But any priest who actively refuses to disclosed the source of their Orders or "Orders" is vitandus.  That is public information that the faithful have a right to know.  Otherwise, there's nothing to prevent any random person from simply outright masquerading as a priest.  I can't recall where it was, but there is a story where a Trad group had a "priest" for years and later found out he was a complete charlatan who had no Holy Orders, dubious or otherwise.  It's different now than back in normal Church times.  Back then, if the diocese sent some priest to your parish, you could be sure that the Diocese vouched for his validity and you didn't need to request their "papers".  You did, of course, need to know that he came from the diocese.  It's happened before where some strange person showed up and set up shop in a Catholic confessional ... just for kicks.
    Not only "problematic", but not Catholic.
    Any priest who refuses to show proof of his lineage is a priest to run away from.