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Offline AGeorge

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« on: October 27, 2025, 11:18:17 AM »
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  • Can anyone point me to a good resource for refuting Eastern Orthodoxy and defending the papacy, in a time when the conciliar popes have consistently undermined tradition since V2? Much appreciated. 

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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2025, 11:37:07 AM »
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  • schismatic-home-aloner[DOT]com/eastern-orthodoxy/

    Recent video not included in that link:

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2025, 11:45:24 AM »
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  • schismatic-home-aloner[DOT]com/eastern-orthodoxy/

    Recent video not included in that link:


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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2025, 10:42:05 AM »
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  • YouTuber Dwong has an excellent collection of videos exposing Eastern Orthodox inconsistencies — especially their rejection of the Filioque and other key doctrines.

    Additionally, The See of Peter hosts hundreds of papal letters and early Church docuмents, many translated into English for the first time. These writings clearly demonstrate that the East was subject to Rome from the earliest centuries, and that the unique charisms of the Roman Pontiff — including universal jurisdiction and infallibility — were widely acknowledged.


    The Orthodox cannot escape this historical reality: for the first thousand years, they were in full communion with Rome and part of the Catholic Church.

    They broke away under Michael Cerularius in 1054, briefly returned at the Council of Lyons II (1274) and the Council of Florence (1439), only to be permanently severed following the Muslim conquest of Constantinople in 1453.
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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2025, 01:53:57 PM »
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  • YouTuber Dwong has an excellent collection of videos exposing Eastern Orthodox inconsistencies — especially their rejection of the Filioque and other key doctrines.

    Additionally, The See of Peter hosts hundreds of papal letters and early Church docuмents, many translated into English for the first time. These writings clearly demonstrate that the East was subject to Rome from the earliest centuries, and that the unique charisms of the Roman Pontiff — including universal jurisdiction and infallibility — were widely acknowledged.


    The Orthodox cannot escape this historical reality: for the first thousand years, they were in full communion with Rome and part of the Catholic Church.

    They broke away under Michael Cerularius in 1054, briefly returned at the Council of Lyons II (1274) and the Council of Florence (1439), only to be permanently severed following the Muslim conquest of Constantinople in 1453.
    Excellent information. Thank you very much. 


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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2025, 09:39:01 AM »
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  • Good question and excellent replies, with data.  

    A friend is looking into eastern orthodoxy after being disenchanted with the traditional Church and all the scandals and lack of charity.  I'll use this data.  Thanks, everyone here.

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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2025, 11:19:28 AM »
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  • Good question and excellent replies, with data. 

    A friend is looking into eastern orthodoxy after being disenchanted with the traditional Church and all the scandals and lack of charity.  I'll use this data.  Thanks, everyone here.

    What your friend is struggling with is ultimately a crisis of Faith. I would wager he does not pray the Rosary — at least not every day with true attention, devotion, and piety.

    He should understand that every scandal, every lack of charity, every failure he sees among Catholics is found multiplied in Orthodoxy — often without the humility to admit it. One can be disenchanted with bad Catholics, but to become disenchanted with the Church herself because of their failures is to mistake the Bride for the servants who neglect her. Our task is not to abandon the barque because the sailors are unskilled or mutinous, but to remain faithful to the Captain who has promised to be with us "all days, even to the consummation of the earth."

    "Scandals must come," Christ told us, yet also warned, "woe to those by whom they come." When the storms toss the barque and the Lord seems asleep, the danger lies not in the storm but in our fear. "O ye of little faith" — those words should pierce us more deeply than any disappointment with men. The barque cannot sink, for Christ remains within it.

    If your friend spent more time asking, "How do I measure up?" and less time judging others, he would be taking a first, necessary step on the road to peace. True reform always begins in the heart, at the foot of the Cross, in the refuge of the Sacred Heart.  

    This is the Church’s Passion. Stand steadfast at the foot of the Cross with Our Lady, and keep your eyes upon the Crucified. For those who persevere in patience, there awaits the infallible promise of the Church’s resurrection, for "the gates of Hell shall never prevail against her".

    It is a supreme mistake to look for refuge or stability outside of the Church that Christ founded upon the Rock of Peter. Orthodoxy, for all its external glitz, is built on sand — divided, nationalized, and lacking the visible unity of faith and governance that Christ willed.

    The shepherd has been struck.  Why are we surprised that the sheep scatter?  

    I would be happy to answer any questions about Orthodoxy and help your friend see that the only sure refuge is within the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2025, 11:53:01 AM »
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  • What your friend is struggling with is ultimately a crisis of Faith. I would wager he does not pray the Rosary — at least not every day with true attention, devotion, and piety.

    He should understand that every scandal, every lack of charity, every failure he sees among Catholics is found multiplied in Orthodoxy — often without the humility to admit it. One can be disenchanted with bad Catholics, but to become disenchanted with the Church herself because of their failures is to mistake the Bride for the servants who neglect her. Our task is not to abandon the barque because the sailors are unskilled or mutinous, but to remain faithful to the Captain who has promised to be with us "all days, even to the consummation of the earth."

    "Scandals must come," Christ told us, yet also warned, "woe to those by whom they come." When the storms toss the barque and the Lord seems asleep, the danger lies not in the storm but in our fear. "O ye of little faith" — those words should pierce us more deeply than any disappointment with men. The barque cannot sink, for Christ remains within it.

    If your friend spent more time asking, "How do I measure up?" and less time judging others, he would be taking a first, necessary step on the road to peace. True reform always begins in the heart, at the foot of the Cross, in the refuge of the Sacred Heart. 

    This is the Church’s Passion. Stand steadfast at the foot of the Cross with Our Lady, and keep your eyes upon the Crucified. For those who persevere in patience, there awaits the infallible promise of the Church’s resurrection, for "the gates of Hell shall never prevail against her".

    It is a supreme mistake to look for refuge or stability outside of the Church that Christ founded upon the Rock of Peter. Orthodoxy, for all its external glitz, is built on sand — divided, nationalized, and lacking the visible unity of faith and governance that Christ willed.

    The shepherd has been struck.  Why are we surprised that the sheep scatter? 

    I would be happy to answer any questions about Orthodoxy and help your friend see that the only sure refuge is within the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
    I agree with most of what you said.
    Are you a priest?
    How do you know so much about Orthodoxy as to be able to answer questions about it?
    PM me if you prefer not to answer for the world to see.
    Thank you.


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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2025, 12:40:01 PM »
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  • Good question and excellent replies, with data. 

    A friend is looking into eastern orthodoxy after being disenchanted with the traditional Church and all the scandals and lack of charity.  I'll use this data.  Thanks, everyone here.
    Aside from the data which I'm sure is excellent, you could also suggest to your friend that we need people like him in the Catholic Church to show us how catholicism should be done properly. 
     

     

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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2025, 12:55:38 PM »
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  • No, I am not a priest.

    My brother did what your friend is in danger of doing: he left the true Faith and became Antiochian Orthodox, dragging his entire family with him — including one of my godchildren. His excuse was the current crisis, but the reality was that he never established the family Rosary in his home and was (and remains) puffed up with pride. To think we can stand tall amid the storms that rage today without the Rosary is the height of arrogance and self-reliance.

    At the time of his apostasy, it took all of us completely by surprise — he did everything, as much as possible, in secret. I also knew very little then about Orthodoxy or the early Church. My attitude was simply, "They’re schismatic and not worth my time."

    My brother made many bold claims — that "the papacy as we know it today didn’t exist in the first millennium," that "the early Church was structured around bishops and patriarchates, not Rome," and that "doctrinal decisions were made by councils, not by the pope."

    That prompted me to dive deeply into the topic, studying and researching the claims of Orthodoxy, reading ancient texts, and learning everything I could about the first thousand years of Christianity. I purchased dozens of books, studied the Patriarchs of Constantinople, examined the first seven/eight councils, explored the various East–West schisms (Acacian, Photian, and others), and reviewed the doctrines and internal differences among the sixteen or so "autocephalous" Orthodox churches.

    What I discovered was that these claims were not merely mistaken — they were demonstrably false. The truth of the Catholic Church’s claims shines as brightly in the earliest centuries as it does today, expressed most clearly in Pastor Aeternus from the First Vatican Council. Even in the acts of the councils — from Ephesus and Chalcedon through later Councils of Constantinople — the authority and primacy of the Apostolic See are unmistakably clear.

    In fact, nearly all of the Orthodox arguments about the papacy and early Church structure are borrowed from Anglican sources. In the 19th century, the Oxford Movement arose among Anglicans who, after reading the Fathers, realized the early Church was thoroughly Catholic. Confronted with this, they faced a choice: return to the True Church or invent excuses for remaining in schism. Most chose the latter. Out of that came various arguments — centered on incidents involving St. Cyprian, Popes Vigilius and Honorius, and others — meant to portray the early Church as a loose federation of autonomous bishops rather than a unified body under Peter’s successor. Modern Orthodox "apologists" simply inherited and repeated these same arguments, often with little refinement.

    Every one of these objections was answered decisively in the 19th century by Catholic theologians and historians who confronted them with historical fact, reason, logic, and the actual writings of the Fathers and councils. They demonstrated beyond doubt that the Anglican (and now Orthodox) claims were assertions built on selective reading and conjecture rather than truth.

    I went back to the sources myself, reading the writings of the early popes directly — through Patrologia Latina and many other collections — to see what these men actually said about the Church and their office, without the filter of later biased historians and commentators.

    This led me to establish The See of Peter, a project to provide solid translations of papal writings from the earliest centuries. When one reads these texts plainly, without commentary, the truth becomes obvious: the popes knew exactly who they were and what authority they possessed — and so did everyone else. They did not go about declaring "I am in charge"; they simply exercised their office, and those subject to them — even when disobedient — never denied their right to do so. Nowhere in the early Church do we find anyone asking, "Who made you pope?" or "What gives you the right to speak for the Church?" There were rebellions, yes — but never denial of Rome’s authority.
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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2025, 01:53:09 PM »
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  • Fr. Adrien Fortescue wrote 2 great books refuting Eastern Orthodoxy. They are long out of print but are worth tracking down.


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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2025, 02:04:05 PM »
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  • Fr. Adrien Fortescue wrote 2 great books refuting Eastern Orthodoxy. They are long out of print but are worth tracking down.

    Yes, Fr. Fortescue has written a great deal on this topic.  Below are a list of books that he wrote (and I have read) on the topic:

    The Orthodox Eastern Church
    The Greek Fathers
    The Patriarchs of Constantinople (Introduction by Fr. Fortescue)
    The Lesser Eastern Churches
    The Uniate Eastern Churches
    The Early Papacy to the Synod of Chalcedon in 451

    All freely available to read on Archive.org
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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2025, 02:21:15 PM »
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  • No, I am not a priest.

    My brother did what your friend is in danger of doing: he left the true Faith and became Antiochian Orthodox, dragging his entire family with him — including one of my godchildren. His excuse was the current crisis, but the reality was that he never established the family Rosary in his home and was (and remains) puffed up with pride. To think we can stand tall amid the storms that rage today without the Rosary is the height of arrogance and self-reliance.

    At the time of his apostasy, it took all of us completely by surprise — he did everything, as much as possible, in secret. I also knew very little then about Orthodoxy or the early Church. My attitude was simply, "They’re schismatic and not worth my time."

    My brother made many bold claims — that "the papacy as we know it today didn’t exist in the first millennium," that "the early Church was structured around bishops and patriarchates, not Rome," and that "doctrinal decisions were made by councils, not by the pope."

    That prompted me to dive deeply into the topic, studying and researching the claims of Orthodoxy, reading ancient texts, and learning everything I could about the first thousand years of Christianity. I purchased dozens of books, studied the Patriarchs of Constantinople, examined the first seven/eight councils, explored the various East–West schisms (Acacian, Photian, and others), and reviewed the doctrines and internal differences among the sixteen or so "autocephalous" Orthodox churches.

    What I discovered was that these claims were not merely mistaken — they were demonstrably false. The truth of the Catholic Church’s claims shines as brightly in the earliest centuries as it does today, expressed most clearly in Pastor Aeternus from the First Vatican Council. Even in the acts of the councils — from Ephesus and Chalcedon through later Councils of Constantinople — the authority and primacy of the Apostolic See are unmistakably clear.

    In fact, nearly all of the Orthodox arguments about the papacy and early Church structure are borrowed from Anglican sources. In the 19th century, the Oxford Movement arose among Anglicans who, after reading the Fathers, realized the early Church was thoroughly Catholic. Confronted with this, they faced a choice: return to the True Church or invent excuses for remaining in schism. Most chose the latter. Out of that came various arguments — centered on incidents involving St. Cyprian, Popes Vigilius and Honorius, and others — meant to portray the early Church as a loose federation of autonomous bishops rather than a unified body under Peter’s successor. Modern Orthodox "apologists" simply inherited and repeated these same arguments, often with little refinement.

    Every one of these objections was answered decisively in the 19th century by Catholic theologians and historians who confronted them with historical fact, reason, logic, and the actual writings of the Fathers and councils. They demonstrated beyond doubt that the Anglican (and now Orthodox) claims were assertions built on selective reading and conjecture rather than truth.

    I went back to the sources myself, reading the writings of the early popes directly — through Patrologia Latina and many other collections — to see what these men actually said about the Church and their office, without the filter of later biased historians and commentators.

    This led me to establish The See of Peter, a project to provide solid translations of papal writings from the earliest centuries. When one reads these texts plainly, without commentary, the truth becomes obvious: the popes knew exactly who they were and what authority they possessed — and so did everyone else. They did not go about declaring "I am in charge"; they simply exercised their office, and those subject to them — even when disobedient — never denied their right to do so. Nowhere in the early Church do we find anyone asking, "Who made you pope?" or "What gives you the right to speak for the Church?" There were rebellions, yes — but never denial of Rome’s authority.
    Thank you for this detailed information based on your in depth research!  I will forward it to my friend, who does, by the way, still pray the Rosary daily.

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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #13 on: November 03, 2025, 02:28:28 PM »
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  • Thank you for this detailed information based on your in depth research!  I will forward it to my friend, who does, by the way, still pray the Rosary daily.
    You're quite welcome. 

    It's crucial that he pray the Rosary with attention, devotion, and piety/meditation.  And I would absolutely recommend all 15 mysteries, each day.

    If he does that, and sticks to it, her "Immaculate Heart will be [his] refuge and the way that will lead [him] to God."
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    Re: Eastern Orthodoxy
    « Reply #14 on: November 03, 2025, 02:43:13 PM »
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  • You're quite welcome.

    It's crucial that he pray the Rosary with attention, devotion, and piety/meditation.  And I would absolutely recommend all 15 mysteries, each day.

    If he does that, and sticks to it, her "Immaculate Heart will be [his] refuge and the way that will lead [him] to God."
    Attention, devotion and meditation he does.
    He only does 5 a day.
    My opinion is that he has a hard time separating the Church (infallible) from the hierarchy of the Church (fallible).