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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Mark 79 on March 23, 2022, 03:06:57 AM
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There is a fellow on GAB who was wavering between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.
Almost entirely because of Jorge's outrages, he has decided to go Eastern Orthodox.
I just mentioned to him that, since the Eastern Schism, heresies have developed among the Orthodox and that they too have problems with perverts.
Eastern Orthodoxy has not been a special interest of mine, so I cannot elaborate in depth about the heresies. I have mentioned Jay Dyer and occult hesychasm and kabbalism.
If there is someone here who has deep knowledge (or solid references) about the heresies, you might consider posting to him on GAB or, if not on GAB, I can pass on any useful information you have. PM me if you need his GAB screen name.
Since "CallMeJorge" was recently banned from Twitter, the best critic I know is not available.
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This is a tough struggle these days, given the presence of Modernist Rome and Jorge. I've noticed more and more people moving EO in the past year, at least online, thanks to the constant Trad Catholic wars and the outrageous scandals from Rome.
Tell them to watch this playlist by MHFM, some of the best contra-EO videos out there.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGVSKByrYzss4weDvPDa-2SANNmPrxaqD (https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGVSKByrYzss4weDvPDa-2SANNmPrxaqD)
Ask them which churches among the confederation of national churches constitutes the "Orthodox" church, and then ask them how it is any different than Protestantism in structure.
"And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd."
[John 10:16]
Which fold, historically, has unity and a single shepherd amongst the plurality of sheep-folds?
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Eastern Orthodoxy has not been a special interest of mine, so I cannot elaborate in depth about the heresies. I have mentioned Jay Dyer and occult hesychasm and kabbalism.
Jay Dyer's pseudo-intellectualism and mockery of Catholic theology has been the bane of potential Trad Catholic converts these past couple of years. He even almost ensnared me for a time. He has this appeal to the alt-right "tradinistas" that is lacking among Trad Catholic commentators. One of the videos in that playlist does a good job refuting his heresies and errors, whilst pointing out his occultism.
https://youtu.be/XRLOQUnw-FY
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The Orthodox have a history of changing their beliefs to justify their separation with the One True Church.
Ex. Abandoning the correct interpretations they held on Purgatory and instead making up “toll houses” out of an apparent distaste for being virtually in agreement with Catholics on this doctrinal issue.
This interview (aside from being an uplifting conversion story) provides anecdotal evidence of this:
https://youtu.be/T4TeUprAwoU
Here’s also a playlist by YT user Ascent of Mount Carmel that covers many of the EO heresies:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9wsq--mkdN2Eb6cu2Knx4IGnSKduuxj
The most interesting set of these videos, in my view, are the ones covering how the Orthodox view Purgatory:
https://youtu.be/yMniTN-kkjk
https://youtu.be/SUWLtv2D4F0
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Thank you. That is a worthy start for him. I think he is sincere n his search.
As we all know, having a тαℓмυdic anti-Pope subsisting in the Chair of Peter is a huge impediment to conversions.
Thanks again!
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Thank you. That is a worthy start for him. I think he is sincere n his search.
As we all know, having a тαℓмυdic anti-Pope subsisting in the Chair of Peter is a huge impediment to conversions.
Thanks again!
Glad I could help. I've had some more interactions with the EO world than most Traditional Catholics (I suppose), being that half my family are sadly Greek Orthodox schismatics, so the issue is quite personal to me. One of the realizations that comes with this kind of extended contact with the EO world is that they are not as "based" as they may first appear.
Speaking of the Greek Orthodox, Patriarch Bartholomew I (their spiritual leader as the Patriarch of Constantinople) has been dubbed "The Green Patriarch" for his invention of "ecological sin", which he first spoke of in 1997 (well before Francis, mind you) in the following terms:
For humans to cause species to become extinct and to destroy the biological diversity of God’s creation… For humans to degrade the integrity of Earth by causing changes in its climate, by stripping the Earth of its natural forests, or destroying its wetlands… For humans to injure other humans with disease, for humans to contaminate the Earth’s waters, its land, its air, and its life, with poisonous substances… These are sins.
(ADDRESS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SYMPOSIUM, SAINT BARBARA GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA, NOVEMBER 8, 1997)
Here are some other words of Patriarch Bartholomew on this issue, which seem to be far more recent (the article didn't give a date here):
Climate change is much more than an issue of environmental preservation. Insofar as human-induced, it is a profoundly moral and spiritual problem. To persist in our current path of ecological destruction is not only folly. It is suicidal because it jeopardizes the diversity of our planet.
Sources for the above quotes:
https://publicorthodoxy.org/2021/09/03/green-patriarch-and-ecological-sin/
https://greekreporter.com/2021/11/24/ecuмenical-patriarch-bartholomew-2/
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For humans to cause species to become extinct and to destroy the biological diversity of God’s creation… For humans to degrade the integrity of Earth by causing changes in its climate, by stripping the Earth of its natural forests, or destroying its wetlands… For humans to injure other humans with disease, for humans to contaminate the Earth’s waters, its land, its air, and its life, with poisonous substances… These are sins.
(ADDRESS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SYMPOSIUM, SAINT BARBARA GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA, NOVEMBER 8, 1997)
Most of these are a result of original sin and the Fall. Not direct personal sins of individual men. Shame to see environmentalist "green theology" emerged in the East before it went West. :facepalm:
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Here's a fix to the second article's broken link: "Patriarch Bartholomew: Leading Orthodoxy for Three Decades (https://greekreporter.com/2021/11/24/ecuмenical-patriarch-bartholomew-2/)".
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Thanks also for the additional information. I have passed it to the potential convert.
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Glad I could help. I've had some more interactions with the EO world than most Traditional Catholics (I suppose), being that half my family are sadly Greek Orthodox schismatics, so the issue is quite personal to me. One of the realizations that comes with this kind of extended contact with the EO world is that they are not as "based" as they may first appear.
Speaking of the Greek Orthodox, Patriarch Bartholomew I (their spiritual leader as the Patriarch of Constantinople) has been dubbed "The Green Patriarch" for his invention of "ecological sin", which he first spoke of in 1997 (well before Francis, mind you) in the following terms:
Here are some other words of Patriarch Bartholomew on this issue, which seem to be far more recent (the article didn't give a date here):
Sources for the above quotes:
https://publicorthodoxy.org/2021/09/03/green-patriarch-and-ecological-sin/
https://greekreporter.com/2021/11/24/ecuмenical-patriarch-bartholomew-2/
What do you mean by “based”?
In the main, my experience with Eastern Orthodox people is that they have a more superficial understanding of their religion than you would expect. Predictably, much of it is tied up in their ethnicities.
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What do you mean by “based”?
It's used in a similar way to "righteous" these days. Typically by conservative and alt-right types.
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Jay Dyer's pseudo-intellectualism and mockery of Catholic theology has been the bane of potential Trad Catholic converts these past couple of years. He even almost ensnared me for a time. He has this appeal to the alt-right "tradinistas" that is lacking among Trad Catholic commentators. One of the videos in that playlist does a good job refuting his heresies and errors, whilst pointing out his occultism.
https://youtu.be/XRLOQUnw-FY
I actually made a point of watching this entire video again this morning, and man, Dyer is in desperate need of prayers for conversion. He is utterly consumed by narcissism and pride.
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What do you mean by “based”?
In the main, my experience with Eastern Orthodox people is that they have a more superficial understanding of their religion than you would expect. Predictably, much of it is tied up in their ethnicities.
It's a slang term that means the same thing as "redpilled". It's associated with being unapologetically truthful and therefore "cool".
I agree with that statement, certainly I've noticed that trend as well.
It's used in a similar way to "righteous" these days. Typically by conservative and alt-right types.
Yeah, what DL said. I noticed his response mid-post. :laugh1:
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Yeah, what DL said. I noticed his response mid-post. :laugh1:
Lol don't you just love that
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What do you mean by “based”?
In the main, my experience with Eastern Orthodox people is that they have a more superficial understanding of their religion than you would expect. Predictably, much of it is tied up in their ethnicities.
For a large portion of those countries and ethnicities, being Orthodox is a cultural thing. They show up to church a handful of times per year, maybe marry in the Church, baptize the babies and have some icons in the house, and that's it.