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Offline roscoe

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Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2017, 08:21:17 PM »
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  • In order to end the Council, a compromise was reached. Catholics are allowed to recognise either Fr OR Italian popes of GWS because there was no heresy( except for Pedro-- who recanted) and no homos.  There was no time during the schism that there was a vacant Holy See. :cheers:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

    Offline Geremia

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #16 on: April 12, 2017, 08:43:01 PM »
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  • How is it that I had gathered that St. Vincent Ferrer accepted the Council of Constance? Why would he also preach against Pedro de Luna for the Council if he was against it?
    Perhaps because St. Vincent held that the Council of Constance's deposition of Benedict XIII was valid, but the Council's election of Martin V invalid. On Spain's and St. Vincent's subtraction from Benedict XIII, cf. Daileader p. 165-6.

    Daileader p. 172:
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    Then there are Vincent’s sermons, which similarly indicate that Vincent never accepted the Council of Constance’s legitimacy or authority. Extant sermons datable to the years 1415–1419 are fewer than sermons datable to the years 1411–1414. Nonetheless, they do exist. One searches them and Vincent’s undated sermons in vain for passages in which he advised his listeners to follow his example and submit themselves to the authority of the Council of Constance, as Gerson would have it, or urged his listeners to pray for Pope Martin V, the one and only true pope, as the canonization witness Bourdiec would have it. Instead, after January 6, 1416, Vincent said little about the schism, and what little he said indicates his continued rejection of the Council of Constance. On June 4, 1417—a date known through his reference to the age of Antichrist—and now in France, Vincent told his listeners that the schism had lasted nearly 40 years (ja ha prop de .XL. anys que dura lo cisma) and that presently there were three [anti]popes in the world: John, Gregory, and Benedict.42 [Sermons 1:208 (June 4, 1417).] For Vincent to assert on June 4, 1417, that there were three [anti]popes in the world was both stupefying and revealing. The Council of Constance had deposed John XXIII and Gregory XII fully two years earlier; Vincent had read aloud the Spanish subtraction 18 months earlier; the Council of Constance was still in session. Vincent mentioned none of these facts. The only concession that the friar made to changed circuмstances was this: unlike earlier in Spain, he did not follow up his observation that there were three [anti]popes in the world with the even more provocative proclamation that, of the three, Benedict was the legitimate one. But there were still three [anti]popes. For Vincent, preaching in France in June 1417, the Council of Constance had done nothing to change the status of these three. The deposing of even Benedict’s rivals was illegitimate.

    Just as significantly, Vincent passed over obvious opportunities to proclaim his acceptance of the Council of Constance or Martin V. …
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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #17 on: April 12, 2017, 08:50:46 PM »
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  • Perhaps because St. Vincent held that the Council of Constance's deposition of Benedict XIII was valid, but the Council's election of Martin V invalid. On Spain's and St. Vincent's subtraction from Benedict XIII, cf. Daileader p. 165-6.

    Daileader p. 172:

    Geremia (Alan) when and by whom were you baptized?  I ask because you just don't see to have it.


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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #18 on: April 13, 2017, 06:00:33 AM »
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  • Hey bogart nado - one of your other accounts, McCork, must have reactivated from being banned with the new CI.

    No wonder so many posts have 2 down thumbs :laugh2:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Geremia

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #19 on: April 13, 2017, 11:16:55 AM »
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  • Geremia (Alan) when and by whom were you baptized?  I ask because you just don't see to have it.
    What makes you think I'm not baptized?
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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #20 on: April 13, 2017, 12:00:14 PM »
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  • What makes you think I'm not baptized?
    I have been noticing your posts around the Web on various forums for years now. They always tend to be on the bizarre fringe, like you are still a catechumen, and just don't "get it" yet, despite the length of time you have been around.

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 01:34:26 PM »
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  • I have been noticing your posts around the Web on various forums for years now. They always tend to be on the bizarre fringe, like you are still a catechumen, and just don't "get it" yet, despite the length of time you have been around.

    Catechumen, baptized, what's the difference, eh, Nado?

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #22 on: April 13, 2017, 03:33:26 PM »
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  • I have been noticing your posts around the Web on various forums for years now. They always tend to be on the bizarre fringe, like you are still a catechumen, and just don't "get it" yet, despite the length of time you have been around.
    Could you be more specific? Things "on the bizarre fringe" is very vague. And what do you mean by "it" in "just don't 'get it' yet"?
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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #23 on: April 13, 2017, 05:09:47 PM »
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  • Catechumen, baptized, what's the difference, eh, Nado?

    If you actually read my posts, you would know the differences.

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #24 on: April 17, 2017, 02:57:42 PM »
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  • If you actually read my posts, you would know the differences.
    Which of your posts are you referring to - Nado's, McCorks or bumbys?
    They are all laced with the heresy of Nadoism.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: St Vincent Ferrer: The Sedevacantist Saint
    « Reply #25 on: April 17, 2017, 03:33:35 PM »
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  • Which of your posts are you referring to - Nado's, McCorks or bumbys?
    They are all laced with the heresy of Nadoism.

    Read my tips, "my posts".  I don't go around posting contradictory beliefs under multiple accounts. I don't even see a Nado or McCork here. Are you okay?