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Offline Nishant Xavier

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Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
« on: February 02, 2021, 08:40:49 PM »
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #1 on: February 03, 2021, 01:55:07 AM »
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  • I couldn't be a rich, famous video personality -- I don't have a compelling conversion story to wow my listeners with.

    I was born into Tradition. In the mid-1970s.

    Plus I have a face for radio and a voice for writing.

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2021, 02:32:48 AM »
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  • We all have our graces and talents from God. You have a wonderful lay apostolate here at Cathinfo, Matthew, that's been a benefit and a blessing to thousands of people.

    Thank you for that. I believe all Catholics, especially traditional Catholics, should support and build one another up in this time, so as better to benefit the Church; we will all have our reward for it in Heaven. The more our work was underappreciated here below, the greater will be the reward we have for it from the Lord. As the Lord said in the Gospel, some receive some portions of their reward here below, while others will have it in full from Him alone.

    I don't agree with Dr. Marshall on everything, but I like that he promotes and supports all good orthodox Priests, mainstream and traditional, both FSSP, SSPX etc.

    So he's in the "Unite the Clans" in Catholic Tradition Camp, as are Michael Matt et al. He also supports both Abp. Vigano and Bp. Athanasius Schneider IIRC.

    On another note, for those who think there are no Graces in the New Mass, the recent Popes have never helped anyone become Catholic etc, the video shows that's wrong.

    Protestants convert to the Catholic Church when they experience the conviction of the Holy Ghost that the Church was built on St. Peter and his Successors.

    Dr. Marshall's attending Holy Mass under His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI clearly obtained some graces for him and led to his conversion. It would take some more time, of course, for him to discover the fullness of Truth in Catholic Tradition. Eventually, God's Grace led him there and completed the work of his conversion.

    We cradle Catholics of course have our own blessings in our Catholic Baptism, and in the Life of Grace we have known since then. Arguably, we have the advantage, and probably (hopefully) have grown more in Grace - over the period of a whole lifetime, with so much more opportunities - than our brethren who convert later in life.

    But God knows best for each of us. God Bless.

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2021, 07:39:28 AM »
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  • On another note, for those who think there are no Graces in the New Mass, the recent Popes have never helped anyone become Catholic etc, the video shows that's wrong.

    Protestants convert to the Catholic Church when they experience the conviction of the Holy Ghost that the Church was built on St. Peter and his Successors.


    Xavier, your conclusions don't necessarily follow.  You have a tendency to use anecdotal evidence and emotion.  God can give graces freely, and the fact that Dr. Marshall received some actual graces while attending the Mass doesn't mean that they did not flow merely per accidens, i.e. based on his subjective dispositions.  Perhaps it was a Traditional priest offering the Tridentine Mass somewhere, or a Traditional nun praying somewhere, who obtained these graces, or perhaps God just gave them for no reason, since grace is given freely.

    Overall, the number of conversions has plummeted since the introduction of the New Mass, with droves of people leaving the Church and far fewer entering.  And even those who enter, well, we're not even sure most of the time what it is they're converting to.  Polls indicate that 90% or more of nominal Catholics are heretical on one point or another, with many adopting a "cafeteria" mentality about which doctrines they want to accept and which they do not.  Often conversions are of spouses, who merely view being Catholic as belonging to some social circle.

    You did the same thing when trying to draw conclusions about the New Mass from purported Eucharistic miracles.  While a demon cannot transubstantiate, a demon can certainly replace or swap out one substance for another in the blink of an eye, and thereby simulate transubstantiation.

    Catholics do not draw theological conclusions from anecdotal "evidence", but rather, evaluate things like these miracles from theological principles.  We can't conclude that the NOM pleases God and brings graces ex opero operato simply because some people received graces, possibly per accidens, from the NOM.

    Of course, I can't prove the opposite either, that no graces come from the NOM, but I can draw theological conclusions about the New Mass based on the principles we find in the Ottaviani Intervention.  We had Paul VI inviting some Protestants to introduce changes into the Mass which mirrored those of Cranmer, which was rejected by the Church as an abomination and over which English martyrs lost their lives.

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 11:17:52 AM »
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  • I am distrustful of the lay "capitalist Catholics" out there who make a living off of evangelization. Where there is money there is corruption, or at least the temptation to become corrupted.

    https://www.patreon.com/drtaylormarshall

    The page says he has over 1,000 patrons (not sure of the exact number) and the first level is 7 dollars a month and the levels go up to 1,000 dollars a month. So he brings in a lot of money from traditional Catholics who watch his youtube videos, and that doesn't even count his books, including The Crucified Rabbi.

    But there are others who make money off of evangelization. Is Patreon and writing books any more disrespectful than selling newspapers like Matt? It is hard to know. It may make sense to have full time lay evangelists who live off of donations, merely because we can not trust the priests. But I think it would be ten times better if some SSPX priests got together and became the evangelists instead of Marshall. I am sure they could take one of their priests and have him make youtube videos all the time like Marshall does. Or perhaps even Bishop Zendejas could start his own Youtube channel.
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 11:25:48 AM »
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  • I couldn't be a rich, famous video personality -- I don't have a compelling conversion story to wow my listeners with.

    I was born into Tradition. In the mid-1970s.

    Plus I have a face for radio and a voice for writing.
    :laugh1: 
    Feel much the same way. Maybe if I got made up like Charlton Heston’s Moses ( white hair and beard) it might work on video. So very many people said I should be on radio because of my deep clear voice but good luck finding decent work in that field. Sickness brings on hoarseness often so I would not be able to pony up as it were. Wink wink nudge nudge
    I don’t like the limelight. A quiet as monastic as possible life is where I belong.
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 11:31:05 AM »
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  • I am distrustful of the lay "capitalist Catholics" out there who make a living off of evangelization. Where there is money there is corruption, or at least the temptation to become corrupted.

    https://www.patreon.com/drtaylormarshall

    The page says he has over 1,000 patrons (not sure of the exact number) and the first level is 7 dollars a month and the levels go up to 1,000 dollars a month. So he brings in a lot of money from traditional Catholics who watch his youtube videos, and that doesn't even count his books, including The Crucified Rabbi.

    But there are others who make money off of evangelization. Is Patreon any more disrespectful than selling newspapers like Matt? It is hard to know.
    After having watched many of his videos out of genuine interest, I discovered quickly he is a Traditionalistic Catholic at best. Like Hellenism to Hellenistic, or real to realistic.
    Doc Marshall is realistic. Pull the trigger and you get a sound of cheap metal hitting cheap metal, but it sure looks good.
    Bishop Williamson is a real hand cannon. Pull that trigger and you get a whomping BOOOOOOOM.
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 11:47:52 AM »
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  • I should start watching Dr. Marshall's videos so I can learn about him and get an informed opinion. My current opinion is that he is the leader chosen for us traditional Catholics by the "deep state." I don't know this, but he seems kosher to me. But I know very little. I think I will watch this video and finally see what the Taylor Marshall experience is all about.
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 11:48:37 AM »
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  • I am distrustful of the lay "capitalist Catholics" out there who make a living off of evangelization. Where there is money there is corruption, or at least the temptation to become corrupted.

    https://www.patreon.com/drtaylormarshall

    The page says he has over 1,000 patrons (not sure of the exact number) and the first level is 7 dollars a month and the levels go up to 1,000 dollars a month. So he brings in a lot of money from traditional Catholics who watch his youtube videos, and that doesn't even count his books, including The Crucified Rabbi.

    Sure, who wouldn't want to make a living off the Catholic faith, do something you love so that you don't have to work a real job.   :laugh1:

    Yes, I agree with your distrust of the "lay capitalist Catholics" (an apt term), people who basically were either Prot ministers before converting or who aspired to become ministers.  So they're basically playing the role of some kind of in-between state between lay and priest, like a Prot minister.  I'm sure they all get behind the V2 notion regarding the "priesthood of the faithful".  This kind of public representation of the faith MUST be left up to the priests, but of course the rampant heresy and Modernism in the NO has left a huge vacuum.

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 11:53:32 AM »
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  • To piggyback on some of what Matto and Ladislaus said, I also think that when this is one's means of income it compromises one's ability to see things clearly and potentially change their position on the Crisis.  To change one's position could mean the loss of all or almost all of your following.  

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 12:25:22 PM »
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  • The apologist for the ѕуηαgσgυє, Taylor Marshall, and those of his ilk, are described in Matthew 7:21-23, which is one of the scariest verses of the Bible.


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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 01:49:53 PM »
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  • ...I also think that when this is one's means of income it compromises one's ability to see things clearly and potentially change their position on the Crisis.  To change one's position could mean the loss of all or almost all of your following.  

    I'm assuming that this applies not only to Marshall, but to others as well?  If so, is there any line drawn between online personas like Marshall vis-à-vis those in traditional print?  In other words, is it acceptable for lay print apostolates (e.g., The Remnant, Catholic Family News, etc.) to make a living off of something tied to the Catholic faith, but not so for people like Marshall et al.? If so, then why?

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #12 on: February 03, 2021, 02:01:35 PM »
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  • In other words, is it acceptable for lay print apostolates (e.g., The Remnant, Catholic Family News, etc.) to make a living off of something tied to the Catholic faith, but not so for people like Marshall et al.? If so, then why?

    This is a good question which I do not know the answer to. My default position towards all of them is distrust. But why are the beggar laymen like Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon and Steve Skojec called "grifters" while people show more respect towards the sellers of trad newspapers? I do not know. And then there are people like Voris who seems to get funding from secret sources to pay for all of his cameras and cruises.

    I watched the TM video. It was my first. I thought it was fine, except that people in the live chat wanted him to become a married deacon.
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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2021, 02:07:45 PM »
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  • I'm assuming that this applies not only to Marshall, but to others as well?  If so, is there any line drawn between online personas like Marshall vis-à-vis those in traditional print?  In other words, is it acceptable for lay print apostolates (e.g., The Remnant, Catholic Family News, etc.) to make a living off of something tied to the Catholic faith, but not so for people like Marshall et al.? If so, then why?
    Fair questions.  I'm not sure where the line is drawn. Perhaps if it's one's only source of income?  Perhaps if one has become more of a celebrity rather than someone providing a service to the Church?  I'd be interested to hear what others think.

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    Re: Dr. Taylor Marshall's conversion story.
    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2021, 02:46:22 PM »
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  • I'm assuming that this applies not only to Marshall, but to others as well?  If so, is there any line drawn between online personas like Marshall vis-à-vis those in traditional print?  In other words, is it acceptable for lay print apostolates (e.g., The Remnant, Catholic Family News, etc.) to make a living off of something tied to the Catholic faith, but not so for people like Marshall et al.? If so, then why?

    Just for starters, a newspaper offers NEWS and EDITORIALS from many Catholic writers. Plus other material, such as reviews, ads, classifieds. Newspapers provide a service. The newspaper is a product, and bigger than any of the personalities working for the paper. The Remnant isn't just Michael Matt's personal blog. Much less a youtube channel where the sole attraction is Michael Matt the "Influencer" (that's a new job title, held by young children with their own popular Youtube channels in some cases)

    One could list many other companies that produce PRODUCTS or SERVICES touching on the Catholic Faith, but they are legitimate products or services that command value: Chant CDs, Catholic homeschool curriculum, missals, books, chapel veils, statues, artwork, etc.

    In the case of Taylor Marshall, you're paying for a layman's two cents, a layman's preaching, a cheap Catholic version of a protestant preacher, basically. Why would I put money in the plate for some layman to give me his take on the Bible, living as a Christian/Catholic, the Crisis, or anything else? I have my own opinions which are probably more valid, or at least have just as much chance of being right. Actually, if I were protestant I probably wouldn't go to church at all, since I'd reason that I can interpret Scripture just as well as the "minister". Why should I help pay his bills, so he can spout off his own opinions full-time? He's not ordained, he has no special power that I don't have. Heck, most protty ministers aren't even full-time working for God; they have wives and kids like everyone else. So they probably spend LESS time praying, studying and thinking about God than many of their protestant parishioners!

    But returning to the topic of Catholic-related businesses and services -- CathInfo would also fit into this category. You don't come here because you're a "Matthew" fanboy. My posts make up a small sliver of the content on this forum. The forum is much bigger than me, much bigger than any of us. But someone has to pay the bills, keep everything running smoothly, maintain the server, software, keep out hackers, ban troublemakers, etc.

    Nevertheless, one should note I'm not seeking a full time salary for my CathInfo "apostolate". Actually if I worked a few hours a week at McDonald's I would take home more profit. CathInfo only covered part of its electricity/Internet expense BEFORE my ad revenue went off a cliff in January 2021.
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